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Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]

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 JoeHova Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 14, 2010, 4:57 PM Post
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craigharmann said:
83 points.....how's that for your style points, computers?

Not very good, apparently, considering that the Badgers dropped from 10th to 12th in the computer poll average. A lot of people (including Michael Hunt in his JS column today) seem to forget that the BCS removed margin of victory from the equation 8 years ago.
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 crewcrazy Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 15, 2010, 2:04 AM Post
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Human voters can still be swayed by big point totals, though, even if they're not supposed to. I suppose unfortunately for the Badgers, it didn't seem to help much in the human polls, and for whatever reason most national voices are crying about Wisconsin running up the score.

Of course, when it's Oregon doing it, it's just their amazing offense that can't possibly be stopped.
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 pitchleague Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 15, 2010, 10:08 AM Post
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See, I don't have a real problem with the "running up the score." It was 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stringers out there. Players who almost NEVER get a chance to get on the field in a Big Ten game. It was their chance to get some action and they took advantage. It's not their fault that Indiana's players couldn't stop them.
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 JoeHova Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 15, 2010, 11:10 AM Post
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See, I don't have a real problem with the "running up the score."

I don't have any problem at all with it in top level college or pro sports*. However, some people have justified it (again, I don't think it needs justifying but a lot of people seem to) by claiming that it helps with the BCS computer rankings and that is false.


* -  I do have a little bit of a problem with it in lower level college or high school and younger sports. There just aren't enough good players to go around at those levels and so some teams have literally no chance to win, even before the game begins. In that situation I think running up the score to an excessive degree can be unseemly.  At the same time, the good team does deserve to actually be allowed to play the game so I only have a problem with it if it's getting ugly to the point where the other team is in tears or something and the good team is still frantically trying to score.
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 jazzytrav Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 15, 2010, 1:13 PM Post
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I think once the starters leave the game, there is no such thing as running up the score. When the 3rd string QB goes into the game, it's an opportunity to see what he can do in live action. Beating up on another Big Ten team's starters could be an extreme confidence boost for guys in that position. Anyone saying they ran up the score wasn't actually watching the game and instead is basing their entire opinion on a lopsided score.

TMQ usually writes about running up the score when he sees it, so I would expect an educated opinion from him tomorrow.
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 Fatter than Joey Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 4:03 AM Post
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I do have a little bit of a problem with it in lower level college or high school and younger sports.

I definitely have a problem with running up the score in HS and younger sports - In youth sports your goal is to encourage sportsmanship and participation.

That said, I think that the Hoosiers should be embarrassed by their performance on Saturday. You would hope a Big Ten team could hold any team in the nation to under 80 points. Someone should write an article about how the Hoosiers gave up on themselves.

To me "running up the score" entails things like onside kicks, kicking FGs when time is expiring, calling unnecessary timeouts -- when one team is clearly going to win.

I guess I wish the Badgers could have kept the Hoosiers to under 7 points instead of scoring 83.
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 JoeHova Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 5:59 AM Post
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TMQ usually writes about running up the score when he sees it, so I would expect an educated opinion from him tomorrow.
Here's what he had to say about the game:
Bucky Badger Workout Video Coming Soon: "Bucky the Badger had to do 83 pushups" -- sportscasters of several networks said words to that effect after Wisconsin scored 83 points against Indiana. Bucky did 573 pushups! The routine is the mascot does seven pushups when Wisconsin reaches seven points, 59 pushups when Wisconsin reaches 59 points and so on. Add 'em up. At some colleges and high schools, the cheerleaders also do cumulative pushups representing the score. I bet the Wisconsin cheerleaders were glad they weren't expected to snap off 573 pushups.

Was the final score poor sportsmanship? Normally the gauge of sportsmanship in football is whether a team with a big lead stops passing in the second half. Wisconsin runs the ball so well that to hold down the score, the Badgers should switch to passing. Wisconsin starters left the game early, and Wisconsin tactics in the second half were bland. The missing sportsmanship touch was that, leading 62-13 at the start of the final stanza, Wisconsin kicked extra points on its three fourth-quarter touchdowns. The Badgers should have knelt on the PATs. Here are Wisconsin's possession results: touchdown, field goal, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.



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 hurricanecrush Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 6:40 AM Post
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The missing sportsmanship touch was that, leading 62-13 at the start of the final stanza, Wisconsin kicked extra points on its three fourth-quarter touchdowns. The Badgers should have knelt on the PATs.
I've NEVER seen anyone do that.  Do I just stop paying attention in routes?  Do teams really do that?
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 JoeHova Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 7:09 AM Post
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I've NEVER seen anyone do that.  Do I just stop paying attention in routes?  Do teams really do that?

I've heard some people say that teams should never kick when they have an enormous lead (ie, no field goals or extra points) but I assumed that meant they should go for 2 to allow the defense a chance to stop them. I guess not.
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 TooLiveBrew Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 8:10 AM Post
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I can't imagine any coach or opposing player being upset about extra points. They're just kind of automatic plays imo (if that makes sense... you just kick it... part of scoring a TD). I've never heard of a team kneeling down on the PAT plays.
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 jazzytrav Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 8:46 AM Post
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That would have been a nice touch, but a bit overdramatic. Like TMQ said, it was a missing touch, but I don't think it's expected. They displayed proper sportsmanship, but I guess they didn't really go above and beyond. Oh well.
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 Invader3K Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 10:17 AM Post
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I don't get why this is being made such a big deal of, like it's the first big blowout in recent NCAA football. This is big boy football. It's not like the Badgers were still playing there starters or something.
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 jazzytrav Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 11:54 AM Post
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It's being made a big deal because they scored 83 points. If they won 50-20 and left the starters in the entire time, nothing would be said, but since they scored 83 points, they're guaranteed to be accused of running up the score.

I did think the point TMQ made was important, though. Generally, good sportsmanship in these situations means running the ball to wind the clock down, but that's about 90% of the Badgers offense and the reason they were pummeling them in the first place.
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 LouisEly Indiana at #7 Wisconsin (11/13/10): 11 AM CT [Badgers win, 83-20]
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Posted: November 16, 2010, 1:19 PM Post
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Hey, the Badgers could have at least kept their third string running back out there most of the time.

Oh, wait...
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