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Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]

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 TooLiveBrew Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: November 30, 2010, 1:36 PM Post
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That pass was obviously to Quarless.  Johnson just got in the way.  Too bad the announcers couldn't figure that out even after Rodgers was on screen 'talking' to Johnson and pointing to Quarless.

Yeah, that was pretty obviously intended for Quarless.  I didn't even realize the announcers didn't pick up on that.
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 jazzytrav Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: November 30, 2010, 4:34 PM Post
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Billick caught it later on...he's one of the few announcers that will correct himself if he knows he's wrong. I didn't think it was too far behind Quarless, but I could be wrong.
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 TooLiveBrew Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: November 30, 2010, 4:35 PM Post
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Iirc the pass was right on target for Quarless... it was QJ that the pass was 'behind', but of course it wasn't intended for him.
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 NDOG44 Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 01, 2010, 1:30 AM Post
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Good thing too, if that's true. If it was for Quarless, it was way behind him and probably going to be picked. Of course, Rodgers made sure to turn it over 2 plays later anyway. He has a real sense of fair play.

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 bjkrautk Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 01, 2010, 4:40 AM Post
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Hindsight being 20/20, allow me to ask...

What happened to John Kuhn @ runningback? How is it that 219# Dmitri Nance gets more opportunities in short yardage than the 250# fullback playing tailback? If you can't make a successful cutback, why not try a sledgehammer?


My thoughts on the ZBS and its failings in short-yardage situations has received enough digital ink that I don't feel the need to re-hash it in greater detail, but there does not seem to be any acknowledgement as to the problem (other than an avoidance of the run in general).
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 jazzytrav Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 01, 2010, 7:20 AM Post
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That's a good point, and it never even crossed my mind. I would have liked to see Kuhn on the all of the short-yardage plays, especially since he's a threat as both a runner and pass-catcher on the goalline. Doesn't make much sense. Did he even play?
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 TooLiveBrew Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 01, 2010, 7:22 AM Post
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I remember hearing one "Kuuuuuuuuuhn" call from the visiting Packers fans during the game
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 greeg35 Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 01, 2010, 9:30 AM Post
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I'm sure we all recall that they had him unsuccessfully try from the up-back position earlier in the year--seemed like he didn't have enough space to get to full speed.  My guess is he's too slow to run from farther away and would struggle to get to the line of scrimmage.
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 bjkrautk Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 01, 2010, 9:30 AM Post
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jazzytrav said:
That's a good point, and it never even crossed my mind. I would have liked to see Kuhn on the all of the short-yardage plays, especially since he's a threat as both a runner and pass-catcher on the goalline. Doesn't make much sense. Did he even play?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=301128001
Box score says 1 catch, 9 yards...so he did play.

One additional thought that comes to mind is that there may have been some formation limitations: Donald Lee was inactive, and Havner aggravated a hamstring injury (bad enough to have been put on IR today).  Quarless and Crabtree aren't the ideal TEs for a power running game.
  
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 NDOG44 Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 01, 2010, 11:25 AM Post
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John Kuhn's short yardage success had everything to do with being the fullback and the element of surprise so to speak of who got the ball vs. him being a good short yardage back.
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 homer Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 02, 2010, 12:16 PM Post
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NDOG44 said:
Good thing too, if that's true. If it was for Quarless, it was way behind him and probably going to be picked. Of course, Rodgers made sure to turn it over 2 plays later anyway. He has a real sense of fair play.

This deserves a good ole LOL.

I will raise your LOL and offer up a ROFLMAO
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 hurricanecrush Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 02, 2010, 1:16 PM Post
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Baldkin said:
And here comes another week of hearing about Rodgers record in close games. Even though this one might be on him... I went back and looked, here's 2008's close game loss 4th quarters.
Wasn't sure where to put this.  I didn't want to clutter the Rodgers lovefest thread with something like this but it will get buried in here pretty quickly. 

Jason Wilde does a pretty in depth analysis of all of Rodgers' "close" games (decided by 4 points or fewer); where his record is 2-12.

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 jazzytrav Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 02, 2010, 2:29 PM Post
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The results? In nine of the 12 losses, Rodgers led the Packers to a tying or go-ahead score at some point in the fourth quarter. And in the other three losses, he set up a potential game-winning field goal – only to see it missed.
That guy just isn't a winner.
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 hurricanecrush Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 02, 2010, 3:08 PM Post
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jazzytrav said:
That guy just isn't a winner.
He just has a "sense of fair play".
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 bjkrautk Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 03, 2010, 8:15 AM Post
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hurricanecrush said:
Jason Wilde does a pretty in depth analysis of all of Rodgers' "close" games (decided by 4 points or fewer); where his record is 2-12.

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A perfect example of why I hate this kind of "in-depth" analysis:

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Edit: thanks Yuku for eating the rest of this post.

The analysis focuses on the events of the 4th quarter, ignoring that the Packers only scored 13 points over the first 3.  (I guess big plays in close games only are notable when they happen late.)  Never mind that the Packers killer instinct - up 10 points in the final quarter - accounted for one first down in their first three drives.  After wasting nearly fourteen minutes of game clock in the final period, Rodgers had one decent drive at the end of the quarter - after Washington had tied things up - to set up a non-automatic 53 yard FG attempt.  Oh well, nothing else he could have done.


Yes, looking at the Atlanta game, he drove the Packers down the field to tie the game late.  But, had he just held onto the ball on the goal line earler, it would have been Atlanta's late drive that tied things up, and they would have had a chance at overtime. 

There are a myriad of bad things that happen on every single football play.  To hold up some of them as more important based on the time on the clock is a pathetic attempt at rationalization. 
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 NDOG44 Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 03, 2010, 8:23 AM Post
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I guess I don't understand your point bj.  I'll give you a number and a word to describe how the Packers lost that one:  "52 injured."
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 homer Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 03, 2010, 8:42 AM Post
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hurricanecrush said:
Baldkin said:
And here comes another week of hearing about Rodgers record in close games. Even though this one might be on him... I went back and looked, here's 2008's close game loss 4th quarters.
Wasn't sure where to put this.  I didn't want to clutter the Rodgers lovefest thread with something like this but it will get buried in here pretty quickly. 

Jason Wilde does a pretty in depth analysis of all of Rodgers' "close" games (decided by 4 points or fewer); where his record is 2-12.

Link

Someone forward that link to Bob McGinn.
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 T B0NE 10 Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 03, 2010, 8:44 AM Post
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I don't understand how there is any room for criticism of Rodgers this year. He has played out of his mind lately. Also consider he is working with an offense missing 2 of its 3 most important players that create mismatches (Grant and Finley).

His 1st fumble of the year occurred at the 1 yard line and yes it did cost us points. If there's any blame given it should be on McCarthy for calling that play. Not for Aaron trying to stretch the ball over the line and get 6.

A good team would be able to trust their O-line and RB to get 1-2 yards.
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 bjkrautk Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 03, 2010, 9:27 AM Post
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NDOG44 said:
I guess I don't understand your point bj.  I'll give you a number and a word to describe how the Packers lost that one:  "52 injured."

Green Bay went 2-13 on 3rd downs in the Redskins game.  I don't think Clay Matthews' replacement missed a block or dropped a pass.

You wouldn't know it from all the analysts who talk about how good AR was on 3rd downs last year (133.5 QB rating - best in the NFL, if memory serves - 67.5% complete, 14 TD, 0 INT), but it's actually his least productive down in 2010 (88.5 rating, 57.7% comp., 8 TD, 5 INT).  And lest someone conclude that it's a matter of down and distance, his QB rating on 3rd and long is slightly better in 2010 than in 2009; he's 40-60 ratings points worse in 3rd and medium / 3rd and short.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8439

Is he having a bad year?  No.
Would he be having a better year without all the key injuries?  Of course.
Can you point to a bunch of other things that went wrong in those close losses (play calling, mistakes by other players, defense giving up a late score)? Sure.

Should you look to all the other things to avoid placing any blame on the QB?  I'd say no.  
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 jazzytrav Week 12: Packers at Falcons (11/28/10): Noon CT [Packers lose, 20-17]
Posted: December 03, 2010, 9:56 AM Post
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Should you look to all the other things to avoid placing any blame on the QB? I'd say no.

I don't think it's as much a matter of not blaming Rodgers as it is not criticizing Rodgers for his lack of magic "4th quarter comeback wins" dust. During the entire Favre debacle, even when Rodgers was completely dominating, there was always a person out there saying that Rodgers just couldn't win the big games and drive his team to victory late in the game. This was often amidst Rodgers putting up dominating totals, leading the team for a score at the end of the game, only for the defense to give up a score and leave Rodgers 20 seconds to perform a miracle.

Obviously not every one of Wilde's games will show him to be blameless, but the point was to show that it's not as if he gets rattled and can't perform under pressure. Saying he can't "win the close ones" is like saying a closer should only pitch the 9th inning of save opportunities because he has a magical ability that the other relievers don't have, even if it means leaving the LOOGY in the bullpen with three lefties coming up.
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