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  Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: January 22, 2015, 11:38 PM Post
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First, a very interesting article getting into some details about admissions and Anderson's departure:

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2015/1/22/7870953/cbs-sports-gary-andersen-left-wisconsin-because-of-university

Things to note:

1) "Wisconsin requires 17 high school units for admission, higher than Ohio State, Nebraska (16), Oregon State (15) and Michigan State (14)". Not sure what a unit is.

2) "That was highly frustrating to me. I lost some guys, and I told them I wasn't going to lose them. I think they did what they were supposed to do [academically] and they still couldn't get in. That was really hard to deal with." The way I interpret this, Anderson and/or people from UW told kids what they needed to do to get in, the kids supposedly did that, but UW still didn't let them in. That makes Anderson look like a liar - maybe UW admissions is the liar, but since the coach is the one telling the kids this in the eyes of the kids it rests on the coach. Maybe Anderson had to leave because he was starting to get a reputation, maybe undeservedly so, as being a liar to kids, or UW was making him look like a liar.

3) "I thought we talked about that during the interview process," Alvarez said. "You're not going to bring truckloads of junior college kids or make a living with junior college kids here... All you have to do is check our track record." Barry being Barry, and being a little arrogant.

I think Barry may want to change his stance about JuCo kids. Just looking at Auburn, they have recruited 19 JuCo kids the last five years; two of those JuCo recruits go by the names Nick Marshall and Cameron Newton. While UW beat Auburn a few weeks ago, Auburn has a national championship and another national title game appearance in the last five years. I don't think that happens if Auburn has Joel Stave or Scott Tolzein at QB.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: January 23, 2015, 5:46 AM Post
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There is no way that any of those numbers of credits should be considered a 'high' standard. For example my high school currently requires 22 credits/units to graduate. The university of Minnesota puts out a chart for what they are expecting of applicants (not technically requirements)
4 Math
4 History
4 Science
4 English
4 Foreign language

Thought about another way schools typically have 6 or 7 class periods. Meaning you could fail a class and still hit the minimum number of units for the UW by the end of your junior year.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: May 24, 2015, 7:02 PM Post
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Under the "that didn't last long", Austin Kafentzis has reportedly left UW. He supposedly was 5th on the depth chart (Stave, Houston, Gillins, Hornibrook), and there's a rumor that Chryst didn't see him as a QB long-term. He's still listed on the roster on UW's official website though. I'm hoping this is a case of "Hornibrook is much better than people think". UW should be OK as they still have Gillins, Hornibrook, and a commitment from Kare Lyles for 2016, who supposedly looked real good in a recent camp.

The Badgers have no luck with top recruits. Last year Gault sat out with depression (he's listed as a sophomore even though he didn't play - did they not redshirt him?) and Watkins left after a week homesick. The year before Jack Keeler suffered a career-ending injury shortly after he got to campus.

UW was also apparently recently listed as #1 in the nation in APR. Not sure what that stands for, but it is academics, and they are ahead of Northwestern, Duke, Michigan, and Stanford. So it might officially be the toughest school to get into academically in all of FBS.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: July 25, 2015, 7:39 PM Post
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Welp, 4-star RB Jordan Stevenson has been denied admission into UW. He was expected to join the team in the fall, but now has been released from his LOI. I'm not against high standards, I just believe that 1) standards should be the same for all schools, and B) UW could be gaining a reputation as liars, telling kids that they can get in and then ultimately denying them. The upsetting part of it is that one of the schools he is looking at is divisional rival Nebraska; nevermind another finalist being Oregon State. I'm sure Anderson would be grinning from ear to ear if he gets into Oregon State after being denied UW.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: July 26, 2015, 6:15 AM Post
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I understand your point, but having seen some of the other minimum standards that schools employ... well let's just say I've seen more than one non-athlete come close to doubling those ACT scores and not getting into other universities (obviously they got in to college). Or put another way Madison's minimum requirements are about as low as I can go and believe that those players are qualified to be in college classes, frankly it's hard to imagine those other schools not having to create kangaroo classes to 'support' those students.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: July 27, 2015, 9:58 AM Post
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UW could be gaining a reputation as liars, telling kids that they can get in and then ultimately denying them.

I think this is a problem. Maybe it happens all the time, but I don't really remember this being an issue in the past.

Wisconsin's academic standards are what they are. I'm not saying they should be changed, or special standards should exist for the football team. The problem is having committed athletes denied admission at such a late date. This is unfair to the player (who should be getting ready to go to school, not scrambling to find one), it gives 100+ school something to use when competing for recruits and it just plain looks awful.

I don't know where the problem lies. Maybe this all goes away with Andersen leaving. Maybe because Cryst has spent so much time at Wisconsin as a player and coach he will "know better" than to target guys who can't get in to the school. But I do hope that something changes and this stops happening.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: July 27, 2015, 10:19 AM Post
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UW could be gaining a reputation as liars, telling kids that they can get in and then ultimately denying them.

From our position, it is really hard to lay blame because we don't know what was going on between the team and player. I would expect that the admissions board would have LONG ago given acceptance/rejection for admission. That normally happens in the spring before HS is over.

My guess is that there was a known problem that both sides might have been trying to work out (like summer school perhaps?). But it didn't work and he couldn't make the requirements. But I doubt there was any "lying" going on about his ability to make eligibility requirements.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: July 28, 2015, 6:17 AM Post
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Maybe it was the kids fault as well? Some sort of credit he was supposedly working on but did not finish? Wouldn't be the first high school student I have seen endanger a scholarship, by not finishing a class.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: July 28, 2015, 11:46 AM Post
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Jeff Potrykus wrote the following about the admissions issue:

However, the issue is less about UW's admission standards and more about the fact that under Andersen the Badgers pursued a higher percentage of players more likely to be denied by the Admissions Department because of academic issues.

More than one-half dozen players who committed to UW for the 2014 and '15 classes eventually went to other schools because they were not admitted to UW.

That makes me feel better. I am sure Igor is right and there is "blame" all around. I think, tho, when something like that happens, rightly or wrongly it reflects on the football program and school more so than the player. The fact that is happened "one-half dozen" times in the last two years makes it even worse. Wisconsin will always have some recruiting challenges they need to overcome, so they don't need gaining a reputation for not being able to get kids into school.

I'm hopeful this was just a blip, that Andersen was too aggressive trying to get marginal players into school, and that with his experience at the school Cryst won't have this issue come up so many times in such a short period.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: August 02, 2015, 7:37 PM Post
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BillScottCanRake said:
UW could be gaining a reputation as liars, telling kids that they can get in and then ultimately denying them.

I think this is a problem. Maybe it happens all the time, but I don't really remember this being an issue in the past.

BSCR is alive and well! Didn't know you still patrolled these parts.

It wasn't an issue in the past because it wasn't an issue until Adele Brumfield became director of admission in 2010. She promptly eliminated in-person appeals for people denied admissions.

It is entirely possible that Stevenson dropped the ball, but I say that UW could be gaining a reputation as liars because this is at least the second time in less than a year that this has happened. Happened with Sam Madden last year, and I think that was the straw that broke Anderson's back. Admissions supposedly told Anderson and Madden what he had to do, and Madden got a 4.0 his last semester prior to the decision (fall 2014), but then was denied admissions (or at least told it was a long shot, and then he decommitted). I remember Anderson going off on that saying that UW told Madden what he had to do to get in, and Madden did exactly that, but they still denied him anyway. And Madden supposedly has some type of learning disability too. If that is in fact true, then it really paints UW admissions as liars.

And don't think that 100 other schools aren't going to bring this up when talking to kids. "Oh, you're looking at Wisconsin? They've told several kids they could get in but then denied them admission, and they had to scramble to find another school at the last minute. Do you want that to happen to you?" It could cost them kids that would be able to get in.

It's just insane that he was able to get into Nebraska and not Wisconsin. Given how much state funding has been cut from UW - and not just recently, but over the last decade, as I was told 1.5 years ago by people very high up in the business school that at that time less than 15% of the university's funding came from the state - UW will seek to bring in the kids that can pay the most. It is well known that it is harder for in-state kids to get into UW than out-of-state kids, and both of those are harder than international students. I had a number of international students in my MBA classes the last two years, and a majority of them had no business being in graduate level classes. They were the worst performers in the class, and they understood English just fine. So don't say that academic standards are applied to the non-athlete student body equally, because they are not.

And given how much funding has been cut, and how much revenue the football program brings in, it is also crazy that they are one of only two Big Ten schools (the other Illinois, but not the great academic institutions that are Northwestern and Michigan) that don't allow regular qualifiers. Force the kid to redshirt his freshman year and meet minimum grades. If he's really close, give him a chance, and if he blows it his first year then send him packing. But the profit from the football team funds a lot of things in the university; it's critical to the success of the school.

It's not like standardized tests are a foolproof indication of how well a student is going to do. I was slightly above average for my MBA class on the GMAT, but I came out with a 3.934 GPA (got two A/Bs because the profs didn't like me, apparently I challenged them too much, go figure), one of the top GPAs in my class. I did this because I worked harder than my classmates, and because being able to memorize and apply the properties of right triangles and proper sentence structure really doesn't correlate well with success in the business world.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: October 16, 2015, 11:23 AM Post
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Cue broken record, UW has likely lost another star RB recruit as Antonio Williams decommitted from UW this week. He's been sniffing around Urban Meyer's jock. Maybe there is more to this, and Williams was an early Anderson recruit, but he said on several occasions he wasn't going to switch. Maybe a national championship ring changed his mind.

Ohio State already has two RB recruits, but top RB Kareem Walker might flip to Michigan. Michigan has three RBs committed, so maybe UW can flip one of Michigan's recruits.

I recall Bielema being fairly critical of Urban Meyer's recruiting tactics. Maybe there is something to that.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: October 23, 2015, 7:41 AM Post
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One of the things that really concerns me with Paul Chryst is the lack of charisma compared to other B1G coaches. I've never talked to him 1 on 1 before, but comparing his demeanor to coaches like Meyer, Harbaugh, and D'antonio and I come away not impressed.

That said, I don't fault coaches much when someone who committed to the previous coach decommits. It's nice if they can keep those guys, but I'm pretty sure I would re-open my recruitment if I was in their situation.

Also, if you are a RB recruit, do you have any faith in UW's running game after watching them this year?


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: October 24, 2015, 11:01 AM Post
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Also, if you are a RB recruit, do you have any faith in UW's running game after watching them this year?

Really? The #1 RB goes down and the line lost 3 starters last year to the NFL. They aren't often down on O-linemen or RBs. If I was a high rated RB recruit, WI is a place on the list right after the colleges that perennially have championship hopes (Ohio St, Alabama, Oregon, etc..).

I did see that Chryst did get a 4 star RB recruit and two decent QB recruits (one of his own and one from Anderson). I thought I read that we had a top 25 recruiting year. Which makes it the best class since 2000.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: October 25, 2015, 5:31 PM Post
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Are you referring to the class that is true freshmen this year? It was barely a top-25 class (20-25) but that included Stevenson and Kafentzis. Losing those two was a big blow to the class ranking.

They only have seven players left from the recruiting class of 2012 (true SR/redshirt JR) and only 14 left from the class of 2013 (and have already lost five from the class of 2014). Injuries have really hurt those OL recruiting classes. Meador, Keeler, and Miller had their careers ended their freshman years by injury, and Gault (class of 2014) is no longer on the roster and may have quit football. I think they only have five scholarship OL who are above a Freshman class. They have five remaining scholarships for the class of 2016, and will probably need to fill with two more OL, one or two more RB, a CB, and maybe a WR.


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: October 26, 2015, 10:25 AM Post
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Are you referring to the class that is true freshmen this year? It was barely a top-25 class (20-25) but that included Stevenson and Kafentzis. Losing those two was a big blow to the class ranking.

Probably? I don't follow the recruiting closely to know who was in and who was out. I just saw a couple articles about this recently. Perhaps it was out of date, but one was pretty recent (in the last month?).


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: October 27, 2015, 7:57 AM Post
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The class of 2016 did move into the top 25 when they landed Garrett Rand, but it was because it included Williams. Now that Williams is gone...


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: December 31, 2015, 11:03 PM Post
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It's possible that two plays kept the Badgers out of the Rose Bowl this year. If Stave doesn't fumble at the goal line against Iowa, and if Peavy's TD catch against NW is ruled the TD that it was, UW plays Michigan State in the B1G title game. Given how UW played against Alabama and how Michigan State played tonight, it's possible that UW beats MSU and ends up in the playoff.

Things are looking good for UW next year. I don't think they lose much going from Stave to Houston, they've found some WRs to step up and replace Erickson, and all of their RBs are back. They only lose one OL, but it's the 3-year starter at LT. On D they lose Schobert, but all of their DL are back and Cichy looks like he can adequately replace Schobert. They'll only have five CBs (Shelton, Tindal, Jamerson, Booker, and Figaro) so they can't afford any injuries there. Safety is the biggest concern, losing Caputo and McEvoy; not much experience coming back there.

QB - Houston, Gillins (he played some WR because they felt he was too good of an athlete to be sitting on the bench), Hornibrook
RB - Clement, Ogunbuwole, Deal, Shaw
FB - Ingold, Ramesh
OL - Volz (C), Dieter (G/C), Kapoi (G), Dietzen (G/T), Benzschawel (G/T), Ramczyk (T), Williams (G/T), Maxwell (T), Panos (not on the depth chart - two walk-ons are ahead of him), Estes (T), Moorman (G/T)
TE - Fumagalli, Penniston, Steffes, Edwards
WR - Wheelwright, Peavy, Love, Sanders, Rushing, James, Houden (offensive scout team POY)

DE - Goldberg, Obasih, James, Hirschfeld, Neuville, Rand
NT - Sagapolu, Sheehy, Patterson (if he doesn't transfer)
OLB - Biegel, Cichy, Watt, Jacobs, Dooley, Baun
ILB - Edwards, Orr, Jacobs, Thomas, Connelly, Brookins
CB - Shelton, Tindal, Jamerson, Booker (defensive scout team POY), Figaro
S - Farrar, Dixon, Musso, Figaro, Ferguson


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  Re: Your 2015 Wisconsin Badgers
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Posted: September 05, 2016, 9:48 AM Post
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Tanner McEvoy has made the Seahawks active roster as a WR, and Alex Ericson did the same with the Bengals.


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