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 paul253 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 13, 2011, 8:37 AM Post
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Quite simply.....who deserves to be in it? Obviously if LSU and Oklahoma St both win out, they are in.  But what happens if Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St.?  Then you have a mess of one loss teams.  Alabama.  Oklahoma.  Oklahoma St.  Stanford.  Oregon.  Who goes?  I think.......Oklahoma.  My reasoning.  Oregon and Alabama already lost to LSU.  They had their chance, especially Alabama who had LSU at home.  I still believe that a team that can't even win their own division, let alone conference, should be playing for the National Championship.  Eliminate Stanford because they lost to Oregon.  Eliminate Oklahoma St. because they lost to Oklahoma.  That leaves Oklahoma, who unlike the other teams, actually would have some quality road wins (only Oregon's win at Stanford can compare).  Oklahoma won at Florida St.  Granted they are struggling a bit but winning at FSU, is still impressive.  They crushed Kansas St on the road when KSU was undefeated.  They'll also have to have beaten Oklahoma St. on the road.

These things tend to play themselves out, but looking at Alabama and Oregon's remaining schedule, I can't see either losing again.  And if Oklahoma beats OK St. you'll have three teams that can legitimately claim they deserve to be in the title game.  This is why the college football's bowl system is so ridiculous.  And what happens if Arkansas happens to beat LSU?
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 young guns BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 13, 2011, 9:27 AM Post
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Wisconsin.  But seriously, I probably agree with OU, assuming they win out.  The only thing I wouldn't want is Bama or Oregon, because like you said they had their chances.
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 paul253 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 13, 2011, 1:52 PM Post
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I remember back in 2006 when #2 Michigan lost to #1 Ohio St by three points on the road.  After the game, Michigan stayed #2.  However, after the SEC Championship game, Florida passed Michigan for #2.  The argument I kept hearing was "Michigan had their chance".  They were #2 and lost by three points.  Sound familiar Alabama?  I just hope that the same people who were claiming Michigan had their chance don't turn around and suggest Alabama or Oregon deserve a rematch.
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 GB12 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 13, 2011, 3:55 PM Post
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5. Stanford hasn't beaten anyone all year and just lost a blowout. No chance.

4. Oregon has a similar problem as Stanford, because of a weak Pac12. Outside of Stanford they don't have a win against a team that is currently ranked. Plus their game against LSU wasn't really close.

3. Oklahoma would have beaten a #22 ranked Baylor team and a #2 ranked Oklahoma State. Normally that should be enough to jump them two spots, but the loss to an unranked Texas Tech team eliminates them in my book. They're higher than Oregon because they do/would have some very good wins.

2. Alabama has several quality wins and all of their wins were by 16+ points. Their loss was a hard fought game that went into overtime. Alabama is clearly a top two team. The only thing that's keeping them from being a unanimous #2 is that their loss was to LSU and some people don't want a rematch.
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 CheezWizHed BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 14, 2011, 2:53 AM Post
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What if Wisconsin beats Ohio St and Michigan St? Not changing the game drastically, but say WI goes into overtime at MI St. and wins by 3. Then the next weak, Ohio St. drops the football in the endzone.

Would they be worthy of the championship game?
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 GB12 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 14, 2011, 3:31 AM Post
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Well yeah, if they were undefeated it'd be them no question in that scenario.
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 paul253 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 14, 2011, 5:21 AM Post
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GB12 Oklahoma also beat #25 Florida St., #23 Texas, and #13 Kansas St. , all on road too (actually I'm not sure if the Texas game was a true road game or a neutral site game, but it wasn't at home). 

Oklahoma and Alabama both have played three games against current top 25 teams and Oklahoma has two left.  Alabama has one game left but how anyone can justify 6-4 Auburn as a top 25 team considering every loss they had was a blowout.  So Oklahoma would have beaten Florida St., Texas, Kansas St., Baylor, and Oklahoma St (all on the road mind you) and lost at home by 3 to Texas Tech.  Alabama would have beaten Arkansas, Penn St. and Auburn, and lost to LSU at home.  Of all those wins, at Oklahoma St would have to be considered the best victory.  So if Oklahoma has the best victory and more quality victories, both total and on the road, how is Alabama more deserving? 

One team I forgot to mention was Virginia Tech.  But looking at their schedule none of their wins seems overly impressive.
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 CheezWizHed BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 15, 2011, 4:13 AM Post
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Well yeah, if they were undefeated it'd be them no question in that scenario.

Michigan St. and Ohio St. are both good teams and the Badgers were playing them on the road. But even IF they won those two, the really only impressive game the Badgers have had all season is against Nebraska. So even if they were undefeated, I'm not sure that would be enough to warrant it.
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 paul253 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 18, 2011, 4:54 PM Post
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Well now that OK St has lost things will get interesting.  Oregon and Alabama will be #2 and #3, but both have already lost to LSU.  Oklahoma should move up to #4, but now if they beat OK St, while still impressive, it won't be as impressive as if they had beaten the undefeated #2 on the road.  Wouldn't it be great if LSU loses to Arkansas now?  If that happens then presumably LSU falls.  But how do you keep them out of the title game considering they beat both the #1 and #2 teams?  I doubt LSU loses but it would be fun to see.
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 JoeHova BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 19, 2011, 3:47 PM Post
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Looks like Oregon is going down too. It's looking more and more like it will be an all-SEC title game. Or if this chaos continues, maybe Houston sneaks in. Image
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 JoeHova BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 19, 2011, 4:12 PM Post
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Might have spoke too soon, Oregon has scored 21 unanswered and is only down by 3. USC has the ball with 6 and a half minutes to go in the game.

edit: but now Oklahoma is down 14 to Baylor in the 4th. What is going on?

edit again: now USC has possibly the ugliest turnover I've ever seen on a handoff in the red zone. Hideous.

edit yet again: and Oregon has tried to top USC by running the worst 2 minute drive ever. USC couldn't slow them down and Oregon had all 3 timeouts, yet they end up with a 42 yard field goal attempt, which would be their kicker's career long.

edit again: offsides on SC, of course.

edit for the 5th time: it doesn't work out for Oregon as their kicker misses the 37 yarder for the tie. Kelly blew this game with the playcalling and clock management in the 2 minute drill.

edit: now Baylor is blowing it. Oklahoma has it inside the 10 with less than a minute to go, looking for the tie.

edit: Looks like OKLA is going for the win with a 2 point conversion attempt. Wow. Got to respect that.

edit: False start, now they'll kick. They made it, Tie game with 51 seconds to go. Can Griffin III win it for Baylor? Or do they go conservative and play for OT?

edit: He did it!!! TD for Baylor with 8 seconds to go. Baylor was going to play for OT but Oklahoma still had 3 timeouts left and took one after Baylor ran on 1st down from their 20. That meant they had to try to get a 1st down to make sure Oklahoma didn't get it back. Griffin scrambled for 25 on 2nd down and then they took it down the field. Can they hold on? Griffin has like 550 yards of total offense.

edit for the last time: Oklahoma can't field the squib kick, Baylor recovers and the BCS is in total disarray.
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 jason21nl BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 19, 2011, 5:06 PM Post
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what an unreal day in college football.  That final drive and pass by Baylor was awesome.  
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 young guns BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 19, 2011, 8:16 PM Post
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At this pace Wisconsin might actually sneak back into the discussion. All hell is gonna break loose if ark beats lsu.
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 craigharmann BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 19, 2011, 11:26 PM Post
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Aaahh chaos. It's a beautiful thing! Happy that Baylor and USC won. Very much looking forward to the Badgers/Penn State game. I really think the Badgers will win. Against Nebraska, it was shown that their passing dimension isn't good. Stack the box vs. the run, and let them try to beat you by the pass.
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 endaround BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 19, 2011, 11:56 PM Post
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young guns said:
At this pace Wisconsin might actually sneak back into the discussion. All hell is gonna break loose if ark beats lsu.

And then have whoever wins the SEC West (given whatever they use for a 3-way tie breaker) lose against Georgia in the SEC title game.
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 igor67 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 20, 2011, 12:43 AM Post
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It's worth remembering that this kind of crazy stuff pretty much happens every year, don't buy the October height about the BCS doom because of so many undefeated teams. Of course after this weekend we didn't even need to win both of those games, if we had stopped just one we'd have a pretty good shot at the title game.
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 paul253 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 20, 2011, 6:41 AM Post
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Looking at the current rankings and the teams that lost, it's looking very feasible that the top three teams in the BCS will all be from the SEC West.  Either Arkansas or LSU will lose obviously as they play each other.  So what's the debate now?  Alabama or Stanford?  It's hard to choose Stanford in that case.
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 endaround BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 20, 2011, 10:43 AM Post
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No the big deal is say Arkansas beats LSU and you have something like Alabama , Arkansas, and LSU 1 through 3 then. Then the winner of the SEC West goes to play Georgia in the SEC title games and loses to the Dawgs. The two top teams in the country then not only won't have won their conference but not even their division of their conference.
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 paul253 BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 20, 2011, 4:16 PM Post
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Well now that I say this I'm sure it won't happen, but I think LSU is going to stomp Arkansas.  I think Arkansas is one of the most overrated teams in the country.  They beat South Carolina but South Carolina is also overrated.  When they played Alabama they got their butts kicked, and I think LSU will do the same.   Unfortunately I don't see any way to avoid an LSU-Alabama rematch other than to have Alabama lose to Auburn.  I think it's pretty sad that a team that doesn't even win its own division could win the national championship.  The BCS system really needs to go.
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 JoeHova BCS Championship Game
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Posted: November 21, 2011, 6:34 AM Post
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paul253 said:
I think it's pretty sad that a team that doesn't even win its own division could win the national championship.  The BCS system really needs to go.

That could have happened in a non-BCS season as well. Say LSU beats Arkansas and Georgia and Alabama beats Auburn. LSU would be the unanimous number 1 and Alabama will probably be the unanimous number 2. The Sugar Bowl used to take the SEC champ against the best at-large team it could find. That would have likely been Alabama even without the BCS (2 SEC teams played each other in the Sugar Bowl several times), but if they took Oklahoma State or somebody instead, Alabama would have probably played in the Orange Bowl against Oklahoma (or whoever won the Big 12) or the Fiesta Bowl against Virginia Tech or whoever is the next highest ranked team that wasn't the champ of one of the big 4 conferences (Pac, B1G, SEC, Big 12). All it would have taken for Alabama to be number 1 would have been them beating whoever they played and LSU losing to whoever they played. I suppose that could have conceivably led to a split national title with one poll going for Alabama and another for LSU but considering their game went to OT and wasn't really a decisive victory, I think people would have been OK with voting Alabama number 1.
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