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Big Ten Divisions- Latest: Officially East/West split, no more Leaders/Legends

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  Big Ten Divisions- Latest: Officially East/West split, no more Leaders/Legends
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Posted: September 01, 2010, 6:18 AM Post
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This won't be official until 6 PM central tonight, but Andy Katz is reporting that the Big Ten divisions will break down like this:

Division 1
Michigan
Nebraska
Iowa
Michigan State
Northwestern
Minnesota

Division 2
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois

Among the protected rivalries that will still be played every year are Ohio State/Michigan, Illinois/Northwestern and Wisconsin/Minnesota.  Looking like Ohio State/Michigan will remain the final game of the regular season, which was a big issue among those fan bases.

Thoughts on these divisions?  Obviously we'll see if this is true or not tonight, but to me it looks like the Badgers are in the tougher of the two divisions.  Seems like it would take a minor miracle every year for OSU to not represent Division 2.


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  Official Big Ten Division Split Thread
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Posted: September 01, 2010, 6:55 AM Post
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I know on first glance this looks bad for UW, but I think it is the opposite. I predict that Wisconsin will make several appearances in the B10 title game over the next decade.

-Right now, Ohio State >>> Michigan. This will not always be the case. Tressel is likely to retire in the next few years and Michigan will most likely be ending the Rich Rodriguez experiment after 2010. Expect things to balance out in the long run, which is why they used the long term formula to create the divisions.
-Wisconsin has historically matched up well with Ohio State and Penn State.
-Out of the mid/lower tier teams, Purdue, Indiana, and Illinois are almost always easy victories. Northwestern and Michigan State are usually much more difficult.
-Over the last few years, Iowa has played like the #2 team in the Big Ten. It will not be a disappointment to avoid playing them every year.


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  Official Big Ten Division Split Thread
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Posted: September 01, 2010, 7:39 AM Post
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I almost completely disagree and think we got screwed!
- There is no reason to suspect that OSU is going to disappear, nor have they ever for a long period of time for that matter. Being in the same division, at least at present, with both OSU and PSU is much tougher than being with Iowa and Nebraska or Michigan IMO, and I don't see Michigan attaining their once hallowed status all that easily.
- Historically in what sense? Based on BB vs. Tressel, we suck, and we sucked for all but the BA era when it comes to OSU. Hopefully that changes this year, but it's not a matchup that is even close to even historically. PSU is about 50-50 IIRC, but still not an easy matchup.
- PU and MSU are the two toughest foes among the others - PU is not an "easy" victory, so that's a wash IMO. Avoiding that pesky NW matchup isn't all bad, I must admit.
- Losing two of the longest running matchups, or at least one, in the conference blows large chunks.

We got royally screwed IMO!!


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  Official Big Ten Division Split Thread
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Posted: September 01, 2010, 8:32 AM Post
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The thing I really care about is that the Badgers play Minnesota every year. Ending the longest running rivalry in college football would be a travesty. I was hoping the league would just split itself logically using geography. This alignment seems like a bad idea, but I guess it can always be changed in the future (I hope it can, at least).


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Posted: September 01, 2010, 9:11 AM Post
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Just dumb. Do it geographically and they will have UW, Iowa, and Nebraska in the West and OSU/PSU/Michigan in the East.

Not playing Iowa would be like not playing the Cardinals. Sure they're tough, but you want to see your team beat the opponent you hate the most.


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Posted: September 01, 2010, 10:02 AM Post
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Not perfect, but I'll get over it.

Might as well just call the divisions North and South then... UW would be the only outlier.

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Posted: September 01, 2010, 10:07 AM Post
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I don't like it, but look at it like this:

WISCONSIN essentially has Minnesota in their division.

OHIO ST. essentially has Michigan in their division.

PENN ST. essentially has Nebraska in their division.


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  Official Big Ten Division Split Thread
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Posted: September 01, 2010, 10:37 AM Post
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I don't like it either, but I guess if Wisconsin wants to be a real player on the National level, this will give them every chance to be there. They're going to have to get past OSU, PSU, and the best team in the other division at a minimum to get to the Big Ten Championship, and doing that should get them near the top of the NCAA polls.

Now whether they can actually pull it off remains to be seen....


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  Official Big Ten Division Split Thread
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Posted: September 01, 2010, 12:29 PM Post
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This is what bothers me most about the split.  If Michigan and Nebraska were regular BCS contenders, then it would be fine.  But since the BCS came about in 1998 the Big Ten (plus Nebraska) has made a BCS Bowl 23 times.  The division Wisconsin was put in has made 15 of those bowls and on the other side Michigan made four of those BCS bowls and they aren't close to what they were.  This is a completely unfair division.

This was posted on the Brewerfan board and I wanted to comment on it.  I think Trwi is putting too much stock in the past 2 or 3 years.  Michigan has the most wins in NCAA history and made a HUGE change two years ago.  They made the Rose Bowl three out of four years starting in 2004. They will be fine, whether it's under Rodriguez or someone else.  And Nebraska is returning to glory after making a few bad coaching decisions as well.  They are a top 10 team this year. He mentioned that the Wisconsin division has made 15 of the 23 BCS bowls.  Well Ohio St themselves made 8 of those BCS bowls so any division they are in is going to have an unbalanced number of BCS game appearances.  Not to mention the year before the BCS was instituted, Michigan and Nebraska split the national championship, so if you go one year further than the BCS you have the split national champions in the same division.  Finally, while Ohio St. is obviously the cream of the Big 10 crop, I think it's safe to argue the Indiana is by far the worst, and Illinois is the second worst.  All in all, I think strength wise the divisions are fair.  I think Iowa and Nebraska are currently the second and third strongest programs, and Michigan will be better soon.  Teams fluctuate.  One year the North will be stronger and the next year the South will be. 


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Posted: September 01, 2010, 2:45 PM Post
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LouisEly said:
 but you want to see your team beat the opponent you hate the most.
I don't hate Iowa. I hate Minnesota.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 12:31 AM Post
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I didn't like it at first, but reading some of your comments and looking at the chart sbrylski06 put up, Its growing on me. Its a little strange that IA, MN, and NW are not in the same division with us, given the proximity. But since my wife is a Hawkeye fan, it will make our household more peaceful every other year. Image

But considering that we will play MN every year and Ohio State plays Michigan every year, I think that helps us a bit.

The more I think of it, though, what is the point of the divisions? We still play some games against the other division. Why not just open it up, keep your main rivalry game, and play a random sample of the rest? You don't need the divisions to setup a title game (seeding based on record can do that). It seems that the only thing a division will do is setup a few teams you play every year....


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 2:09 AM Post
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Awful. You take the two programs that are clearly the cream of the crop for Big Ten football, tOSU and Penn State, and put them in the same division -- big mistake. It's not so awful that Wisconsin has to play the two top teams, you need to beat the best if you want to be the best, but it's awful that some team in the other division is going to cakewalk to the championship game every year. Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan, MSU, and Northwestern are all mediocre teams -- whichever team happens to be having an "up" year or stretch of years will waltz to the championship game where a lucky bounce puts them in the Rose Bowl. Iowa especially benefitted from this, with a protected rival being Purdue, they can get to the championship without facing anyone. This fact should infuriate Badger fans.

If Michigan ever rises to prominence again and makes the other division half respectable, we have back-to-back MI-tOSU matchups to look forward to. Boring. Not to mention, a split essentially results in a tie, taking away their bragging rights for a clear yearly winner and leaving controversy about true conference champ in its wake. And in the dozen years or so it might take MI or Nebraska to become top tier again, it'll be great seeing Iowas and MSUs sleepwalk to the championship game. If I was in Iowa's shoes, I'd be jumping for joy right now. Ugghhh.

Add to this the unfair travel schedule for both the Badger team and its fans -- neutralizing one of our advantages, fan support in places like Iowa City and Evanston -- and it's extra worse to be a Badger right now. The deprecation of the Iowa rivalry game is just the cherry on top of the crap pie. Total fail, takes away all the excitement of realignment. Barry should be ashamed and I hope he gets lots of hatemail and heckling. I was hoping to hear something on the news today about vandalism to his statue.

Heck, this has killed my excitement for college football *this* year, knowing that travesty is just around the bend. Thanks for ruining everything, BA.

In summary, two best teams in the same division. Stupid, but great if you're a scrub team like Iowa or MSU benefiting in the other division. We all know Michigan and Nebraska are nothing and it will take forever -- if ever -- for them to become something again. Our team and fans have to tavel more, both have negative consequences. We lose a rivalry game that a lot of people care about. Wonderful stuff.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 2:30 AM Post
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Nebraska is already back. Iowa is as consistently good in the Big Ten as Wisconsin, at least. I'm not thrilled with the divisions, but I don't think the talent is split *that* unevenly. Northwestern and Michigan State have been a lot tougher on the Badgers than Illinois, Indiana and Purdue, and I think many are overlooking that.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 3:15 AM Post
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So Nebraska is at the level of tOSU/Penn State and is a lock to stay that way going forward like tOSU/Penn State are? No. It's fine and dandy that MSU, Northwestern, etc are all better than the bottom feeders in the Badgers' division. That just furthers my point that any scrub team from the collection of mediocre teams in the other division will wind up in the championship each year. It also further shows that they did not do a very good job constructing the divisions if one division has 5 approximately even teams and the other has 3 crappy teams and 3 very good/great teams.

I guess I just can't get past how bloody lucky Iowa got. They could own their division while being inferior to Penn St, tOSU, and Wisconsin. Every year, the team coming out of that division could be the equivalent of fourth place in our division. I have no faith in Nebraska amounting to anything top tier going forward nor Michigan becoming anything special again. (I could see some pretty unespectaculer Nebraska or Michigan teams being labeled as "back" due to handling their weak division schedule, though!) I have all kinds of faith that tOSU and Penn State are entrenched powerhouses, and I have more faith in the Badgers' continued success than I do the Hawkeyes. It seems very possible that the other division's top team will consistently be worse than two or even three teams in our division. That's awful. Or great, if you're an Iowa, MSU, or Northwestern fan, I guess.

One division has two entrenched powerhouses and the team (Wisconsin) with arguably the brightest future going forward. The other division is a mediocre medley of has-beens and flash-in-the-pans. Terrible alignment.

And that's just a critique of the leage structure as a whole.  Add in what this has done to our logistics and geographic rivalries and it's a total piece of crap from a Badger fan's perspective.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 4:38 AM Post
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So let's take emotion out of the equation and look at what we have here:

UW will play Penn St, Ohio St, Illinois, Indiana, and Purdue every year. 5 games. They will play Minnesota every year. 1 game. They will then play 2 games against this pool of teams for two consecutive years: Michigan, MSU, Nebraska, Northwestern, and Iowa (and possibly three teams in 2015 if the Big Ten goes to 9 conf games.)

So in reality, in terms of scheduling how much different is it than before? As it stands UW doesn't play everyone every year. It wasn't so long ago they didn't play Northwestern for consecutive years.

The only drawback is that they have to play PSU and OSU every year and given the fact that they are about .500 against those teams the last 7 years I don't see it as a big deal.

And let's not forget that college football is cyclical. OSU might hire Rich Rodriguez Jr. after Tressel retires. PSU might hire Matt Millen. Michigan will not be a doormat for very long. Nebraska was a botched ref call from the Big 12 title game last year.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 4:53 AM Post
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I am aware of everything in your post, Homer. It does not change my posts. I'm not clouded by emotion -- what a condescending thing to say. We'll have to disagree about Nebraska and Michigan someday being better than tOSU and PSU. Maybe in 20 years. Two decades of a crappy, unbalanced setup isn't acceptable. To me, it's a terrible alignment of teams. And it's worse for Bucky due to geography and logistics.

I'm not looking forward to inferior teams from the mediocre division getting a shot at the big ten championship game every year while two better teams from the good division sit home. And I think it will be this way for 20 years.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 5:04 AM Post
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Didn't Penn State go through a middling stretch of their own a few years back? Why are you so resolute in your opinion that the strengths of these teams will never change?


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 5:46 AM Post
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I am aware of everything in your post, Homer. It does not change my posts. I'm not clouded by emotion -- what a condescending thing to say.  

I wasn't referring to you in particular.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 5:52 AM Post
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Big 10 might not be done expanding, remember. We'd be likely to expand east, so add any two of ND/Rutgers/Pitt/Maryland, put them in the "South" and shift Wisconsin back to the "North". Bang, perfect divisions.


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Posted: September 02, 2010, 6:11 AM Post
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I don't get why you think it will take two decades for Michigan to rebuild. It took Alvarez four years. That school is too steeped in tradition and that state is too loaded with talent for them to stay down long.


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