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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: January 19, 2009, 3:31 PM Post
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With the long weekend, and with the defensive coordinator and scheme in place, it's time for an early preview of the 2009 Packers draft. I know the combine has yet to happen, but unless someone gets injured or arrested they usually don't move as many spots based on the combine workout numbers as people would like to believe. The slots have been determined for the 3rd round pick they get from the Jets in the Favre trade, and they acquired a 6th round pick this year in exchange for one of their 7th round picks last year.

Perhaps as big as the new defensive coordinator and scheme in determining what happens is what the Packers think of the future of.... Daryn Colledge. If they think he is a legitimate left tackle then they can focus on the defense in the early rounds. If not, then they will have to think long and hard about one of the top tackles available. Also, TT's track record is if he has a position of need he drafts two players at that position to increase the chances that at least one of them will work out, so expect to see two DL and two OT picked. Anyway, here's my predictions along with some other possibilities for that pick:

1st (#9 overall) - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
Yes, I finally flipped them; I think people underestimate Kampman as an OLB and they can get undersized DEs who can switch to an OLB in the 3-4 later in the draft. He can play NT in the 3-4, and had 8 sacks and 16 TFL his senior year. Can be a disruptive force in the backfield. Although I'm still only 52/48 on him over Orakpo. Plus Pickett is a free agent after this year and they may need the $$ to resign Jennings and Collins, and that's the thing that tips me to Raji's favor. Other possibilities:
If he's still available: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor - athletic enough to be a franchise LT for years to come, good fit for ZBS
Don't be surprised if it's: Aaron Maybin, OLB/DE, Penn State - Limited experience, but huge upside given his age (20) and success; put up great numbers at their pro day

2nd round - Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane
Another athletic OT that could be the LT of the future, great pass protector with great feet and work ethic. Again, I think the dropoff in OT talent is not as much as DE, and they can get quality OT at this position. Unfortunately Jamon Meredith has put up such good workout numbers at the draft that I don't think he'll still be around here. Gerald Cadogan (Penn State) had a great combine and may move up into this spot; I have always liked Penn State linemen, they seem to do well in the pros.
If he's still available: Alex Mack, C, Cal - upgrade the center position with the best center in the draft; athletic, very smart, physical and aggressive
Don't be surprised if it's: Traded - either for a player (the Al Harris and Keith Jackson trades, both for 2nd rounders, worked out very well... and you know TT will have to get a later round pick back in the deal also), or packaged with one of their 3rd round picks to move up into the first round and get an OT like Eben Britton (Arizona) or Jamon Meredith (South Carolina) if there's a run on them like last year since they have an extra 3rd round pick; Indianapolis makes a nice trading partner at #27. I think the Packers really like Meredith because of his athleticism and (gasp) his versatility - I believe he played LG during their bowl game. Almost every team ahead of them in the 2nd round needs an OT, and if they don't get one in the first they will look for one in the 2nd.

3rd round (own) - Jarren Gilbert, DE, San Jose St.
Free agency isn't yielding any DEs, so they have to get one of the few available; at 6'5", 288 he certainly is big enough. Led nation in TFL as a senior. Aren't afraid to draft guys from San Jose St. in the 3rd round. Athletic enough to jump out of a pool on to the deck. See YouTube.
If he's still available: Ron Brace, DT, Boston College - many feel he can be a good anchor at NT in a 3-4; if they go other than Raji at #9 he could very well be on their radar
Don't be surprised if it's: Connor Barwin, DE/OLB, Cincinnati - put up amazing sack numbers in his only season at DE after moving from TE; great workout numbers at the combine (ran a 4.66), could play TE in a pinch (you know they like versatility)

3rd round (Jets) - James Casey, TE/WR/FB, Rice
Perhaps the most amazing stat line I have ever seen for a player, much less a sophomore, in 2008: 111 rec, 1329 rec yds, 13 rec TDs; 57 carries, 248 rush yds, 6 rush TDs; 14 punt returns for 112 yards, and 2-5 passing for 5 yards and 2 passing TDs. And as a freshman contributed for 1/2 sack on defense. Tory Humphrey was surprisingly not tendered an offer, and Casey offers a lot of versatility and potential weapons to have on offense. See the stats for yourself.
If he's still available: Sean Smith, CB, Utah - they will need a big corner to match against Calvin Johnson for years to come, and at almost 6'2" this guy doesn't come any bigger. 9 career interceptions, five last year for 151 yards.
Don't be surprised if it's: Zack Follett, OLB, Cal - doesn't have the ideal measurables but gets it done; 51 career TFL, 23.5 career sacks, 15 career passes defended, including 23 TFL and 10.5 sacks last year

4th round - Courtney Greene, S, Rutgers
Four year starter with almost 400 career tackles, will come up and support the run as well as any safety in the draft; key interception sealed their bowl game win. They need a thumper at safety who can support the run and make the tackle. Bigby and Collins are approaching free agency; I think Bigby is a good backup and special teamer but I'm not sold on him as a starter. I don't think Anthony Smith is the answer either.
If he's still available: Vance Walker, DT/DE, Georgia Tech - TT keeps an eye on guys whose stock falls because of injuries their senior year; as a junior Walker had 8.5 sacks and 14 TFL as a DT, but will probably have to play DE as he is not big enough for a NT in a 3-4.
Don't be surprised if it's: Some dude I have never heard of - it happens every year, whether it's James Jones (3rd), Josh Sitton (4th), or Tony Moll (5th), somewhere in the middle he nabs someone not on anyone's radar

5th round - Robert Brewster, OT, Ball State
I watched him in their conference championship game and their bowl game, and he is athletic for a RT with great feet and solid technique, great pass protection as no one got anywhere near the QB on his side. If TT has a need he drafts two players at that position, one early and one late, to help ensure that at least one of them pans out.
If he's still available: DeAndre Levy, OLB, Wisconsin - Good weakside OLB who can rush the passer and was a great blitzer (15 career sacks) or drop into coverage (8 passes defensed, 2 career INTs), not afraid to hit somebody. Given his smaller size, a lot rides on how fast he runs at his workout.
Don't be surprised if it's: Mitch King, DE/DT, Iowa - the last DE they picked from Iowa in the 5th round turned out pretty well, played DT in college, could be a good DE in a 3-4.

6th round (own) - Philip Hunt, DE/OLB, Houston
34.5 career sacks and 53.5 career TFL; at 6'2", 250 lbs, he will probably have to move to OLB, but could make a good pass rushing OLB in a 3-4.
If he's still available: Troy Nolan, S, Arizona St. - in two years amassed 10 interceptions for 296 yards and 4 TDs, plus returned a fumble 44 yards for a TD; not the fastest safety, but has the instincts and is a ballhawk and playmaker
Don't be surprised if it's: Stryker Sulak, OLB/DE, Missouri - rising on boards, big enough for OLB in 3-4 with 22.5 career sacks

6th round (Saints) - Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati
The punting game struggled, so they pick the best punter in the draft; averaged 44.95 per punt and a net of 44.54(!), so you know he gets them high enough that they aren't returned much.
If he's still available: Travis Bright, OG, BYU - allows them to move Spitz to center and Colledge to LT if that is where they see their future
Don't be surprised if it's: Jason Williams, OLB, Western Illinois - good size, very athletic, can blitz or drop back and cover; again, question is quality of competition in 1-AA; reminds me of a poor-man's Wayne Simmons.

7th round - DJ Clark, CB, Idaho St.
Four year starter with 15 career INTs for 289 yards; great size (6'1 1/2", 200 lbs) and speed, only knock is level of competition in 1-AA. They have time to stash him away and let him develop.
If he's still available: TJ Lang, OT, Central Michigan - They like the athletic small-school OLs, and he fits the bill
Don't be surprised if it's: Lee Robinson, OLB. Alcorn St. - the last player they picked in the 7th round from Alcorn St. turned out pretty well

Bonus - potential undrafted free agents (UFA's):
Chris Miller, P, Ball St. - injured senior year, but one of the top punters in the nation his sophomore and junior seasons
Marcus Bernard, DE/OLB, Jackson St. - one of the top pass rushers in 1-AA, 14.5 sacks his senior year
Greg Peach, DE/OLB, Eastern Washington - led 1-AA in sacks with 18, totaled 29 sacks as a junior and senior
Marlon Lucky, RB, Nebraska - not a game-breaker, and lost starting job as a senior, but a great 3rd down back - caught 135 passes in his career including 75 passes as a junior
Ryan McKee, OT, Southern Mississippi - also fits the bill of athletic smaller-school OL
Eddie Williams, FB, Idaho - caught 83 passes for over 1000 yards and 9 TDs combined his junior and senior year

Have fun with it!


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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: January 20, 2009, 3:57 AM Post
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Have fun with it!

I don't pay near enough attention to college football to capably assess your work, so good job sir.

My only qualm is using a pick on a punter. What is the success rate on acquiring punters/kickers through the draft? Anecdotally, it seems like it's gotta be under 50%. Most bounce around a few times before finally sticking. I'd probably rather select another WR or another QB before a Punter.

I'd like to see TT swap his 2 3rds for an additional second rounder. I'd take 3 of the top 50 over 4 of the top 100. Or maybe ditch them for a veteran, as you mention.


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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: January 20, 2009, 8:17 PM Post
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I agree on drafting punters, just say no unless you have say multiple 7th round picks.

As for who we would like the Packers to draft, i'd personally like to see first where Capers initially at least intends to play guys currently on the team, how the college guys test out in the combine, and if the Packers pick anyone up in free agency.

Plus, beyond the first two rounds, i never cared for trying to do my own personal mock draft. You can generally get a rough idea which guys are likely to be first round picks and to a lesser degree second rounders. After that, it's such a crap shoot and guys often go 1-2 rounds earlier or later than projected.


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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: January 21, 2009, 4:59 AM Post
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You've clearly done your homework, so thanks for putting in the effort. It's hard to comment since I like danzig typically don't go as deep into the draft, and I don't have as great of an understanding for the guys at the top yet.

I like the first pick, and even if the team stayed in a 4-3 I could see Orapko being the pick. The team needs to significantly improve their pass rush, which IMO takes precedent over a need at the OT positions. Whether it is Orapko, Brown, English or even a potential athletic freak like Aaron Maybin (if he puts up crazy numbers at the combine like many are expecting), I see some options for the Packers first-round pick.

I too would like to see a move up at some point. Nine overall picks seems like quite a bit, and I don't get the sense that more depth is as important to the Packers are greater impact talent. And of course trying to guess what TT is going to do is a rather futile exercise.


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Posted: January 21, 2009, 5:06 PM Post
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What is the success rate on acquiring punters/kickers through the draft? Anecdotally, it seems like it's gotta be under 50%.

Technically that is about right for what I've seen the last few years. But I don't think that is any different from any other position for players drafted in the 6th or 7th round. What percentage of players drafted in the 6th or 7th round actually end up making the team, much less contributing anything?

Flynn - backup, Swain - cut/practice squad, Hall - part-time starter, Bishop - backup, Crosby - starter, Wynn - backup/starter/cut/practice squad/backup, Harris - cut, Jolly - starter, Culver - backup, Tollefson - cut, Montgomery - backup, Bragg - cut, Campbell - cut, Whitticker - starter by default/cut.

So of the guys drafted in the sixth or seventh round recently, only three are starters and one of them is a kicker. The thing with kickers and punters is that teams usually only carry one, so they either make the team as a starter they are cut. There is virtually no chance to make it as a backup. Thus it appears that they have a lower success rate, however I would say that their success rate as a "starter" is higher than any other position.

Edit - I also edited the original post, and swapped out Aaron Curry for BJ Raji. Raji can play NT in a 3-4, and has the ability to penetrate and make plays behind the line of scrimmage.


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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: January 22, 2009, 2:46 AM Post
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Pickett should be a very solid NT in the 34. Raji's great though. His play this week has probably guaranteed him a top 10 selection. He's been the most dominant player at the senior bowl.


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Posted: January 31, 2009, 8:42 AM Post
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I like James Casey, but it should be pointed out that he'll turn 25 in September. Just something of note. He played 4 years in minor league baseball, that's why he's just a sophomore.


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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: February 02, 2009, 11:06 AM Post
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The thing with kickers and punters is that teams usually only carry one, so they either make the team as a starter they are cut. There is virtually no chance to make it as a backup.

Unless your name is B.J. Sander.

I'm down with picking Orakpo no matter what, assuming he falls that far.

Will you have this left guard to be the 224th pick?

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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: February 08, 2009, 6:12 AM Post
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The staff at the National Football Post have issued their 2009 Draft Value Chart.

They put this year's prospects in 10 tiers, from Tier 1 (Elite Prospects) to Tier 10 (Late Round Impact Prospect - includes the players they think will have any impact after round 4).

A sampling:

Tier 1 (Elite Prospects)

Michael Crabtree: WR, Texas Tech

Aaron Curry: OLB, Wake Forest

Eugene Monroe: OT, Virginia

B.J. Raji: DT, Boston College

Malcolm Jenkins: CB, Ohio State


Tier 2 (High First-Round Caliber)

Andre Smith: OT, Alabama

Jason Smith: OT, Baylor

Mark Sanchez: QB, USC

Brian Orakpo: DE/OLB, Texas

Matthew Stafford: QB, Georgia

Everette Brown: Florida State

Michael Oher: OT, Ole Miss

Knowshon Moreno: RB, Georgia



Picking at number nine likely puts us out of contention for the elite prospects, unless Detroit picks Stafford and there is a run on OT's before we pick. If the big mock drafts out there are correct about the Packers picking Jenkins at nine, that might be considered a "steal", although it is not at a position of immediate need (but we've all seen that TT usually likes to think 2-3 down the road, so who knows?).

The only Badgers mentioned were Urbik and Beckum, both graded as 4th round picks.


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Posted: February 08, 2009, 7:37 AM Post
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On the news last night (I think channel 4) they showed a really short comment from TT regarding the draft. No surprises about what he said ("we'll take the best player available"), but while they were running the audio they were showing video clips of Malcolm Jenkins.

I'm sure the producer is probably reading the same mock drafts that Point Beer alludes to, but it is interesting to see the connection made so often, since based on pure need you would think one of the OTs or LB/DEs would make more sense based on pure need (which is what most mock drafts are based on).


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  2009 Packers Draft Preview and Predictions
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Posted: February 08, 2009, 11:17 AM Post
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I'll start off by saying that I don't follow the NFL or the packers nearly as much as I used to, I'm much more of a college fan, so don't be too hard on me. But I was wondering what you guys would think of the Packers trading their #9 to Philly for their two first rounders (#21, #28). I normally don't like TT's constant trading down, but they seem to have quite a few glaring needs to fill that an extra 3rd rounder probably won't help as much (OL, DL, Safety, possibly CB and LB). With the Packers being so far under the cap, I'd really like to see them take a run at Albert Haynesworth as not only is he the marquee FA but is also at a position of need. That would allow them to use the draft to bolster other positions. With #21 and #28 they could go after guys like Aaron Maybin, Larry English, Michael Johnson, DJ Moore or Jermon Meridith. I'd also like to see them take a playmaker on offense, someone who can excel in special teams as well. I'm thinking specifically about Derrick Williams out of Penn St. He's got a lot of speed and athleticism and would be a dangerous kick returner.


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Posted: February 08, 2009, 3:03 PM Post
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I don't think Haynesworth would want to play end in the 3-4, which is what he would do in GB. He wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the league, and the end position in a 3-4 scheme is amongst the most unglamorous, selfless positions in football. He'll end up somewhere where he can thrive as a DT (when he's not injured). Peppers, on the other hand, might make a nice OLB opposite of Kampman.


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Posted: February 08, 2009, 3:21 PM Post
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The big problem with trading #9 for #21 and #28 is that the values don't match up- The Packers would be ninety points behind. Now, I really don't know how close the values for both teams have to be before the trade is legal, but I did the math presuming you had to get as close to equal as possible and I found out a whole lot of draft picks had to be swapped.

So how does one determine the draft point value of present players on the roster?

Better yet, how close do the point totals have to match up?


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Posted: February 08, 2009, 3:31 PM Post
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They don't have to - the point scale derives from the way somebody (Walsh maybe) used to evaluate pick values, then others embellished it. There's no legal requirement to any trade, and there are at least two different point scales out there that I'm aware of.


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Posted: February 08, 2009, 6:53 PM Post
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Had this been 2-3 years ago I think the trade down would have been a great idea, but they are the youngest team in football and they need potential stars more than good players and depth. I'm more willing to take the risk/reward of the #9 pick with the greater upside, and would be more inclined to use one of the 3rd round picks and either package it with the 2nd round pick to move up into the first round or use it to trade for the right veteran.

Also edited my predictions and added Ron Brace in place of Gerald Cadogan. I'm also 52/48 right now on Orakpo over Raji.


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Posted: February 08, 2009, 8:08 PM Post
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paul253 said:
I'll start off by saying that I don't follow the NFL or the packers nearly as much as I used to, I'm much more of a college fan, so don't be too hard on me. But I was wondering what you guys would think of the Packers trading their #9 to Philly for their two first rounders (#21, #28). I normally don't like TT's constant trading down, but they seem to have quite a few glaring needs to fill that an extra 3rd rounder probably won't help as much (OL, DL, Safety, possibly CB and LB). With the Packers being so far under the cap, I'd really like to see them take a run at Albert Haynesworth as not only is he the marquee FA but is also at a position of need. That would allow them to use the draft to bolster other positions. With #21 and #28 they could go after guys like Aaron Maybin, Larry English, Michael Johnson, DJ Moore or Jermon Meridith. I'd also like to see them take a playmaker on offense, someone who can excel in special teams as well. I'm thinking specifically about Derrick Williams out of Penn St. He's got a lot of speed and athleticism and would be a dangerous kick returner.

I know a lot of Packer fans want to see them sign Haynesworth, but the odds of that happening are lower than slim and close to none. Many teams besides us has cap room and Ted Thompson has shown nothing since becoming GM to make it look like he'll go after a free agent of that caliber. Plus, with the defense going to a 3-4, it's not really a scheme best suited to get the most out of the talents of Haynesworth. The job of NT in this defense is more to eat of blockers than make plays vs him playing on of the DT spots in 4-3 defense.

If there was an ideal free agent that IMO would be a great fit along with filling a need, i'd take Suggs. He'd provide a pass rushing LB to team with Kampman, plus he's experienced in the 3-4 defense and won't be as expensive as Haynesworth. My guess is some team will throw around 25-30 million in guaranteed money at Haynesworth, very risky for these big heavy defensive lineman.


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Posted: February 09, 2009, 4:12 AM Post
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I'm more willing to take the risk/reward of the #9 pick with the greater upside, and would be more inclined to use one of the 3rd round picks and either package it with the 2nd round pick to move up into the first round or use it to trade for the right veteran.

I would think TT is on the hot seat -- and with how bad the defense performed last year, TT is going to feel more of a sense of urgency here.

I'm also 52/48 right now on Orakpo over Raji.

I was thinking a lot about this -- assuming that both players project well -- I would draft a NT over an OLB, given the Packers defensive transition... It is pretty hard to get a OLB for a 3-4 out of college, and drop them right in into an NFL scheme successfully. It's easier for a NT to be fat and take up space, again this assumes the Packers have some sense of urgency. If this was the Steelers, I'd probably opt to draft Orakpo, and let him sit on the bench for a year like they have done with Timmons and Woodley (and most every other LB they have drafted) -- It's pretty hard for an OLB to make an impact in the NFL in year 1, in a 3-4 -- and I am certainly not saying that Orakpo can't do it -- but since the Packers need a NT, it makes more sense to draft for that need (again, assuming the Packer draft brass likes both Orakpo an d Raji)

If there was an ideal free agent that IMO would be a great fit along with filling a need, i'd take Suggs.

Agreed -- He'd make Kampman better right out of the gun, give the defense some intensity, and then drafting that NT, would actually get me pretty fired up about the Packers' prospects for 2009 -- at least on the D side of the ball...


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Posted: February 09, 2009, 8:01 AM Post
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My ideal FA, assuming he is one, is Gross, but this thread seems to be mostly about D so I'll just shut up.

Seriously, what about a guy like Canty? Until I see differently, I just don't see TT playing the high priced game (Woodson had few suitors), so second tier guys like Canty might be viable. I was hoping we might have a shot at Dansby, but his stock has really risen lately.


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Posted: February 09, 2009, 8:26 AM Post
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I'm with FTJ and Danzig...Suggs would be a HUGE addition. It takes time to develop a 3-4, and Suggs would probably drastically speed that process up, while being productive at the same time. That's what I call value, no matter his price tag. I don't know that there's a NT in the draft that I would necessarily want to pick that high, so I wouldn't be opposed to taking Orakpo and letting him sit for a year. Trying to put him into a defense that's new for us and new for him could be disastrous.

Now I'm going to sit and wait for JJ to come in here and tell me that it would be a bad 1st round pick cause he won't be productive in his first year Image

Will you have this left guard to be the 224th pick?

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Posted: February 10, 2009, 1:33 AM Post
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/38390159.html

Interesting blog article, going through impressions on a number of players at the Senior Bowl, and how they fit the GB scheme. I will be interested in seeing whether this particular prediction pans out:

LG: Max Unger, Oregon
C: Alex Mack, Cal
RG: Eric Wood, Louisville
Comment: I grouped the three of these guys together because they are pretty even and interchangeable. I know the Packers really like all three, especially Mack and Wood. And since the Packers have drafted a lineman from Louisville two of the past three years (Jason Spitz and Breno Giacomini), it's almost a given they take Wood at the top of the second round. Really liked Wood and his 6-4, 304 frame. He's got some strength and nasty to him. Mack is 6-4 and 312. He seems like the most natural center and has two inches on Scott Wells. Unger has very quick feet and is a good fit for the zone blocking. He didn't blow me away on the field.


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