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2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal/4) Carl Bradford, LB, Arizona St/5a) Corey Linsley, C, Ohio State/5b) JARED ABBREDERIS!

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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Packers On The Clock!
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Posted: May 09, 2014, 8:29 PM Post
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Don't know anything about Thornton. But he's a DT, so that's good. We've also had success with a past player from Southern Miss, so there's that.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Packers On Deck
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DT..of course. Such a waste.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Packers On The Clock!
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Khyri is an interesting name.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss
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Interesting...McShay says he has character concerns. Odd for a GB pick.

McShay and Kiper seem to like him a lot.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss
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His film is impressive. Very likely a DE in the 3-4.

Packers certainly making efforts to get stronger in run defense.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss
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Such a TT pick


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Packers On Deck
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DT..of course. Such a waste.


How so?


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Packers On Deck
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Posted: May 09, 2014, 8:52 PM Post
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Point Beer Is Best said:
lcbj68c said:
DT..of course. Such a waste.


How so?


Was Van Der Kamp not available? He might see more snaps than ANOTHER 2-down DT.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Coming Up
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Thought ESPN had a typo on their hands with Pittsburg State. Turns out there's a Pittsburg (no h) in Kansas.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Packers On Deck
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lcbj68c said:
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DT..of course. Such a waste.


How so?


Was Van Der Kamp not available? He might see more snaps than ANOTHER 2-down DT.


The Iowa State punter?


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
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Posted: May 09, 2014, 9:13 PM Post
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Hmm, ESPN makes no mention of the bizarre coincidence of the Packers drafting another Rodgers from Cal. Need a clever nickname for if/when the two of them hook up for a TD!


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
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Certainly, it's WHEN... [smile]


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
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What the heck happened in the 3rd round; both our picks were projected late rounders by ESPN, NFL.com & CBS?

I know as well as anyone that it's the team scouts opinions that matter, but if your picks are that far off from the projections....you'd better get it right.


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What the heck happened in the 3rd round; both our picks were projected late rounders by ESPN, NFL.com & CBS?

I know as well as anyone that it's the team scouts opinions that matter, but if your picks are that far off from the projections....you'd better get it right.

Sure it's disconcerting when the picks don't match up with the projections. But just remember how stellar we all thought the Aaron Rouse selection was versus how perplexed we all were over some dude named 'Nick Collins'. Brian Brohm, safe pick! James Jones, who?

Of course I'm leaving out a pretty obvious overdraft counterexample to that...


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
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I say we call Richard Rodgers "Dick-Rod."

Good? Good.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
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So in the little I've read so far, seems like people aren't very high on the Packers' second day. The WR is considered a good pick, but the other two guys are considered reaches. Hey, we'll see. In Ted I Trust.

I still think the need at TE is overblown, but if the staff like Richard Rodgers enough to draft him in the 3rd, who am I to argue? Sounds like a solid, all-around player without great speed.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
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I feel like GB is drafting too much for need and not taking best player available. All the drafts where people said "What is Ted doing??? We need a <insert position of need here> and he took a <insert position not needed here>!" seemed to be his best drafts.

You draft for need to tend to reach. Seems like that's the case with a couple of these picks.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Packers On Deck
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Posted: May 10, 2014, 8:28 AM Post
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lcbj68c said:
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DT..of course. Such a waste.


How so?


Was Van Der Kamp not available? He might see more snaps than ANOTHER 2-down DT.


I'm ok with the Thorton pick, mainly because they're not bringing back Pickett and Jolly, and Raji and that guy they signed from Minnesota are on one year deals. That means that Worthy, Daniels, Jones, and Boyd are the only guys under contract after this year. I'm fine with it if they think they've got a hidden gem. For what it's worth, Eliot Wolf was handing out fist-bumps in their draft room. You have to look a couple of years out and weigh that against perceived needs.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
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Posted: May 10, 2014, 8:37 AM Post
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bjkrautk said:
What the heck happened in the 3rd round; both our picks were projected late rounders by ESPN, NFL.com & CBS?

I know as well as anyone that it's the team scouts opinions that matter, but if your picks are that far off from the projections....you'd better get it right.


Gil Brandt had Thornton "solidifying" his place in the late 3rd/early 4th after his pro day:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2014/03/10/khyri-t ... aft-stock/

The TE seems like a need pick.


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  Re: 2014 NFL Draft Thread- 1) Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama/2)Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State/3a) Khyri Thornton, DT, Southern Miss/3b) Richard Rodgers, TE, Cal
Posted: May 10, 2014, 10:05 AM Post
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Davante Adams
-Separation - Starter Caliber (5/6)
-Routes - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
-Receiving - Starter Caliber (5/6)
-Elusiveness - Starter Caliber (5/6)
-Ball Handling - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
-Balance - Starter Caliber (5/6)
-Blocking - Committee Caliber (4/6)
-Vision - Starter Caliber (5/6)
-Power - Starter Caliber (5/6)
-Durability - Starter Caliber (5/6)

Comps: Rod Gardner, David Terrell, Ben Obomanu, Quincy Morgan, Chad Jackson.

Adams has a quick first step and he can extend for the football in the air. He catches the ball with his hands and can track it over his shoulder. He also demonstrates good awareness of the boundary. These three skills are what constitutes much of his game: the fade route. It’s a route that has earned Adams and quarterback Derek Carr a lot of acclaim this year.

But what can Adams do improve the rest of his game to match this one play? If he can, he has starter upside. If he can’t, the floor might hurt when he hits it. There is enough potential to Adams’ game that he can avoid that harsh possibility.

He has good size and quickness, he breaks back to the football on timing routes, and he displays skill at toe tapping the boundary on perimeter routes that aren’t fades. I also saw evidence of hard breaks with sudden stops, which is a very promising skill for a young receiver. Although a 4.56-second, 40 isn’t a great time for a wideout his size, Adams has the deep speed to get behind a defense. Factor in Adams’ skill to adjust to the ball in the air and win passes in tight coverage while airborne and the picture is rosier.

Adams often displays potential to make some fantastic adjustments on the football, but right now it’s more potential than reality. One of the reasons is he drops some high passes that hit his hands when the velocity has some zip. The other more troublesome issue is his lack of focus in the face of contact. I saw a consistent aversion to direct collisions as a receiver and runner. Adams either dropped the ball or was passive at the collision point. These are the type of plays that separate stars from contributors and if it happens too often, contributors from free agents.

Adams work as a runner is promising. He shows some patience behind his blocks and will press and cut back. He can make the first man miss and I like that he'll lower his pads to end a play. He often finishes with second effort on screen plays and he'll spin through contact to keep his legs moving to get extra yards. At the same time, Adams needs to demonstrate more decisiveness as an open field runner. He'll try to bounce some plays outside and then realize he should just lower the pads. I like that his final decision is to drop the pads and get physical, but the choice comes too late for him generate the power that he could. While part of the issue is Adams’ tendency to drop his head into the contact and give up leverage, I think the root cause of his troubles is that he’s too often a tentative decision maker as a runner. This hesitancy coupled with wide ball carriage is a recipe for turnovers.

Adams has to run block with more effort. He doesn’t take the initiative with his hands to strike his opponent and use his size to win matchups. All too often he waits for the defender to make the first move. Like most prospects, Adams has to work on his hands when separating from the line of scrimmage versus press man. Overall, he has to become more physical.

What worries me about Adams is that I see an absence of focus, play-to-play discipline, and seasoning in his game. Another year of college football could have benefited him. If he’s drafted early and doesn’t learn fast in the sink or swim NFL environment, he could have a disappointing career. If a team gives Adams a narrow role while he builds the rest of his game, I think he could become a good starter. I think Adams’ size and potential versus tight coverage makes him a better fit for an offense where he can run timing routes on the perimeter of a defense. As long as he wont be required to take as many big hits over the middle, a team will maximize his best skills.


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