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The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State

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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 5:13 AM Post
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I have a membership to footballguys.com.  One of the staff members at footballguys is a guy named Matt Waldman.  Each year he puts together this ridiculous rookie scouting report file where he ranks and scouts QBs, RBs, WRs, and TEs.  He bases his rankings off of actual video that he watches of these players.  He has a very detailed ranking system and it sounds like he will watch a lot of the video in slo-mo while evaluating players.  Needless to say, he spends countless hours doing this and it sounds like he even has some inside sources amongst a handful of scouts.  The final document that he created for the 2011 rookie class is a 859 page pdf file!  And it's only for QBs, RBs, WRs, and TEs!  It's laid out very nice and is incredibly impressive.  The majority of the file are his scouting notes from watching game-tape.

Anyways, if anybody is interested in me giving a summary of the players that the Packers drafted from this file, let me know and I'll post something.


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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 6:11 AM Post
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Actually, this might be the play blingster remembered: http://www.youtube.com/wa...Vs-JZgKM&feature=related

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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 8:41 AM Post
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ESPN did an E: 60 on DJ Williams prior to the draft. It is very touching and is really making me cheer for DJ Williams. Worth checking out!



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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 10:17 AM Post
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TooLiveBrew said:
Actually, this might be the play blingster remembered: http://www.youtube.com/wa...Vs-JZgKM&feature=related

My mancrush on Cobb grew exponentially watching that play. I hope he can do that for the Pack!


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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 11:06 AM Post
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heresrobin said:
Anyways, if anybody is interested in me giving a summary of the players that the Packers drafted from this file, let me know and I'll post something.
I sir, am interested.


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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 11:34 AM Post
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GodspeedYouPackEmperor said:
heresrobin said:
Anyways, if anybody is interested in me giving a summary of the players that the Packers drafted from this file, let me know and I'll post something.
I sir, am interested.
yup.


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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 11:40 AM Post
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Randall Cobb - Matt Waldman's #3 ranked WR - rated as having Upside
If evaluating players purely from the standpoint of what they can do for a football team, Cobb is among the best in this class.  He’s a fast, agile, and physical football player who makes a difference in every phase of the game.  I believe Cobb will earn immediate situational time as a return specialist and No.3-No.4 receiver.  He’s a player teammates will love to compete with and opponents will respect for his tough, dynamic play.

Separation - Committee Caliber (4/6)
Routes - Committee Caliber (4/6)
Receiving - Starter Caliber (5/6)
Elusiveness - Star Caliber (6/6)
Ball Handling - Committee Caliber (4/6)
Balance - Star Caliber (6/6)
Blocking - Star Caliber (6/6) ***I found his comment regarding his blocking a pleasant bonus:  "Randall Cobb has the aggressive mentality of a Pittsburgh Steeler draft pick like Santonio Holmes and Hines Ward.  Cobb targets linebackers, uses good technique, and he doesn't give up until the whistle.
Vision - Star Caliber (6/6)
Power - Starter Caliber (5/6)

Waldman gives Cobb special marks for On Field IQ as well:
I believe the best players not only exhibit impressive skills, but they know how to integrate these individual components into their game and make unusual physical and conceptual adjustments as if its second nature. There is little to no hesitation whatsoever with their decisions and movements and I like to use the term “fluidity,â€


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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 12:06 PM Post
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The highlight package that ESPN had on Alex Green was almost completely worthless - Green had 5 foot holes to run through and wasn't getting touched until 10 yards down the field.

Here's one from his glory days at Butte CC:





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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 12:16 PM Post
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The play I was referring to is the Vanderbilt play. I watched a couple of Cobb compilation videos on youtube and that play definitely stood out. Hopefully Cobb is able to make a difference with his unique skill-set.


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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 1:22 PM Post
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Alex Green - Matt Waldman's #25 ranked RB - rated as being a Boom-or-Bust prospect[/b]
Green has a nice initial burst for his size and he routinely beat the first defender to the line of scrimmage or around the corner with his acceleration from a stop. He also routinely ran through wrap attempts behind the line of scrimmage. I didn't see a consistent level of patience.  There were only limited times where I saw Green keep his feet moving after contact and he wasn't able to run through hits to his legs. The physical skills are promising enough that he could develop into a very good pro running back if he refines the techniques of his craft.

Power - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
Balance - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
Ball Handling - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
Speed - Committee Caliber (4/6)
Acceleration - Starter Caliber (5/6)
Vision - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
Elusiveness - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
Blocking - Free Agent Caliber (2/6)
Receiving - Starter Caliber (5/6)
Durability - Starter Caliber (5/6)

Waldman did not single out Green as the handful of RBs that he thought had 3rd Down Back Potential.  However, do to his explanations, that could be because he thinks that Green currently falls short as a pass blocker.

A NFL comparison that Waldman uses for Green is Jamal Anderson/Cedric Benson:[/u]
If Green proves he has the interior vision to succeed in a pro style offense and he's a quick learner in pass protection, he has the size, quickness and strength to flash skills similar to these quick and powerful runners.

Games that Waldman watched on film while evaluating Green (I can't really post his actual game notes but let me just say that they are thorough - each one is at least 2 pages long):[/u]
vs. Tulsa 12/24/2010


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  The 2011 NFL Draft Thread- Day 3: Davon House, DB, New Mexico State/DJ Williams, TE, Arkansas/Caleb Schlauderaff, G, Utah/DJ Smith, LB, Appalachian State/Ricky Elmore, LB, Arizona/Ryan Taylor, TE, North Carolina/Lawrence Guy, DT, Arizona State
Posted: May 01, 2011, 1:42 PM Post
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DJ Williams - Matt Waldman's #3 ranked TE - rated as having Upside[/b]
Williams is a pure receiver. He has excellent hands and the athleticism to adjust his body in flight to make plays in the passing game. If he can demonstrate in the NFL the same run after the catch skill he has shown at Arkansas, he could be an upper echelon producer at his position. If not, he’ll still be a reliable weapon and future starter.

Separation - Committee Caliber (4/6)
Routes - Committee Caliber (4/6)
Receiving - Starter Caliber (5/6)
Elusiveness - Starter Caliber (5/6)***"The Best: Green and Williams have multiple moves that work effectively in tight spaces. The may not be dominant in the open field in the NFL, but they will get their yards after the catch because they possess enough elusiveness in their toolkit."
Ball Handling - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
Balance - Starter Caliber (5/6)
Blocking - Reserve Caliber (3/6)
Vision - Starter Caliber (5/6)***"Williams and Green often seem a step ahead of defenders as they weave through traffic and they demonstrated the ability to anticipate a hit before making a catch. They show the skills to avoid the defender the moment they secure the football."
Power - Starter Caliber (5/6)

A NFL comparison that Waldman uses for Williams is Dallas Clark/Dustin Keller:[/u]
Williams is a fluid pass catcher with nice balance as a runner. He could thrive in a pass-heavy offense.

Games that Waldman watched on film while evaluating Williams (I can't really post his actual game notes but let me just say that they are thorough - each one is at least 2 pages long):[/u]
vs. Alabama 09/25/2010
Bowl Game against Ohio St. 01/04/2011

***Waldman did not specifically rank or evaluate Ryan Taylor.  Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem like Taylor caught a pass or was really involved in the offense until his Senior year.  He also presumably got more playing time when fellow draft prospect at TE Zach Pianalto got hurt midway through the season for North Carolina.


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Posted: May 02, 2011, 6:30 AM Post
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Thanks for those profiles.


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Posted: May 02, 2011, 8:57 AM Post
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Cobb is looking more and more like an absolute steal where we got him. Ted just has a knack for that last guy in the Green Room Image

Will you have this left guard to be the 224th pick?

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Posted: May 06, 2011, 4:19 PM Post
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Interesting fact about Ryan Taylor - he started his career as a LB, became the first Tar Heel to play offense, defense, and special teams in the same game as a junior, and then set the UNC record for receptions by a TE as a senior.

Spencer Havner is doing extra wind sprints and grassies as we speak.


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Posted: May 08, 2011, 2:18 PM Post
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Yeah, at the very least it sounds like Ryan Taylor could carve out a niche as a special teams ace.  I can't help but notice his 9 catches in that Bowl game against Tennessee too...

I saw this article on the yahoo homepage about Lawrence Guy:


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The general rule of thumb is to wait three years before evaluating the success of a draft. This was fun to read through, with some hilarious comments that are even moreso given the passage of time (an example being the suggestion that Gabe Carimi will sabotage his entire career just to make the Bears regret taking him in the first. Well played, Gabe, well played).

To recap, here was the 2011 draft for Green Bay:

R1 (32) - OT Derek Sherrod
R2 (64) - WR Randall Cobb
R3 (96) - RB Alex Green
R4 (131) - CB Davon House
R5 (141) - TE DJ Williams
R6 (179) - OG Caleb Schlauderaff
R6 (186) - MLB DJ Smith
R6 (197) - OLB Ricky Elmore
R7 (218) - TE Ryan Taylor
R7 (233) - DE Lawrence Guy

Great Pick - Obviously Cobb is the shining star from this class.

Tough Luck/Incomplete Picks - Sherrod's devastating leg injury & the lockout his rookie year really robbed him, as he's coming into his first training camp fully healed with a full offseason in the conditioning program. I hate calling the pick a bust, because he's had zero chance to really show anything. I hope they give him every chance to prove himself this year. House has had some injury concerns as well but has shown flashes. Green shredded his knee, but he really didn't look that great before the injury either.

Solid Choice - Getting Ryan Taylor in the 7th was a good pick. He hasn't replaced Crabtree's blocking on offense like they had hoped (thankfully Quarless has filled that void), but he's been a tremendous special teams player (when he's not trying to start a fight with the other team).

Missed out - I had hoped that Lawrence Guy would have stuck around but I think he was picked up by Indy and then the Chargers. Probably would compete for a rotational DE on our current roster.

Hopefully they are able to do a deal to extend Cobb. Right now it's looking like he may be the only one from this draft class that will remain after this year. I'm still holding out hope for Sherrod and House.


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Posted: May 13, 2014, 2:46 PM Post
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Wow, completely forgot about DJ Smith. He seemed so promising at one point.


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Green shredded his knee, but he really didn't look that great before the injury either.

He had a couple "wow" games, but was really inconsistent. Still think that w/o the injury, he would have been a good starting RB. Body size and speed, he reminded me of Ahman Green (who was also very inconsistent and fumble prone with Seattle).


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