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Posted: January 24, 2008, 11:41 AM Post
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They should get one comp pick for sure for Green, and might get one for David Martin as well depending on whether they consider Frank Walker a 'plus' in the equation considering the contract he signed and the role he played.


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Posted: January 24, 2008, 12:01 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
They should get one comp pick for sure for Green, and might get one for David Martin as well depending on whether they consider Frank Walker a 'plus' in the equation considering the contract he signed and the role he played.

So these comp picks they get for Green and Martin are they choices in certain rounds from Houston and Miami?


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Posted: January 24, 2008, 12:33 PM Post
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I was just gonna ask the same thing. I would assume they're sandwich picks, so a 5th round comp pick would be after the 5th and before the 6th. Am I wrong?

Will you have this left guard to be the 224th pick?

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Posted: January 24, 2008, 12:53 PM Post
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Yep, they're sandwich picks.


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Posted: January 24, 2008, 1:05 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Yep, they're sandwich picks.

What does that mean?


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Posted: January 24, 2008, 1:21 PM Post
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BrewCrewIn2004 said:
PeaveyFury said:
Yep, they're sandwich picks.

What does that mean?

From two posts up: they're sandwich picks, so a 5th round comp pick would be after the 5th and before the 6th.



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Posted: January 24, 2008, 1:44 PM Post
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Yeah, they're tacked on at the end of the round they're awarded in, just like in the MLB Draft. They don't come from another team, they're just awarded extra. But unlike MLB, you don't really know what you're going to get for a player until the NFL awards them a few weeks before the draft. Otherwise, it's just speculation.


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Posted: January 24, 2008, 1:49 PM Post
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Don't forget the super-secret formula used to determine who gets what (if any) picks. Good luck guessing that...


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Posted: January 24, 2008, 1:59 PM Post
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For all we know their formula may just be a blind monkey throwing darts at a wall. Until they actually reveal the formula they are leaving themselves open to questioning.


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Posted: January 24, 2008, 6:31 PM Post
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Martin had a career year, Walker was inactive for 1/4th of the games and really only saw significant playing time against Detroit's spread offense. I'd say Martin weighs more heavily there, so my guess is David Martin is worth a 7th and Green is worth at least a 6th, so combined my guess is a 5th.

Although if whomever determines this has a sense of humor they'll give TT two 6ths.


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Posted: January 25, 2008, 1:19 AM Post
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I'd say Martin weighs more heavily there, so my guess is David Martin is worth a 7th and Green is worth at least a 6th, so combined my guess is a 5th.

They actually award one pick per FA lost IIRC, so they'd actually get the 6th and the 7th in the above scenario.

I think that the ideal situation would probably be a 5th for Green and a 6th for Martin, but I would think that in actuality the best we can hope for is either a 5th and a 7th or the two sixth rounders you mentioned.


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Posted: January 25, 2008, 5:09 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Yeah, they're tacked on at the end of the round they're awarded in, just like in the MLB Draft. They don't come from another team, they're just
awarded extra. But unlike MLB, you don't really know what you're going to get for a player until the NFL awards them a few weeks before the draft.
Otherwise, it's just speculation.

Okay I got it now. They just give team extra picks in between certain rounds.


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Posted: January 28, 2008, 6:37 AM Post
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I'm starting to actually think more and more then picking at #30 we should just take the best player available. The more mock drafts I see and more commentary I read I think that sometimes drafting for need is not the best route. Take the best player on the board if its DB, TE, OL or RB. Thompson seems to draft that way anyway so who knows who we will end up with.

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Posted: January 28, 2008, 6:56 AM Post
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I'm starting to actually think more and more then picking at #30 we should just take the best player available. The more mock drafts I see and more commentary I read I think that sometimes drafting for need is not the best route. Take the best player on the board if its DB, TE, OL or RB. Thompson seems to draft that way anyway so who knows who we will end up with.

I wouldn't mind taking the best player out there based on the positions you have posted above. I'd prefer we didn't take a guard though since we've already spent some higher picks there. I'd be find with a tackle though -- one to someday replace Tauscher and/or Clifton and one that actually fits the zone blocking scheme.


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Posted: January 28, 2008, 11:16 AM Post
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JJHardy7 said:
I'm starting to actually think more and more then picking at #30 we should just take the best player available. The more mock drafts I see and more commentary I read I think that sometimes drafting for need is not the best route. Take the best player on the board if its DB, TE, OL or RB. Thompson seems to draft that way anyway so who knows who we will end up with.

I wouldn't mind taking the best player out there based on the positions you have posted above. I'd prefer we didn't take a guard though since we've already spent some higher picks there. I'd be find with a tackle though -- one to someday replace Tauscher and/or Clifton and one that actually fits the zone blocking scheme.

IMO, the previous draft picks are a sunk cost: if Guard is the position where the Packers can improve themselves most, that's where they should pick. Considering that the draft usually ends up with quality guards and safties coming off the board around the end of the first round, I would not be all that surprised if the Packers pick one of the two (although I've been saying for months that I think they'll select a CB).


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Posted: January 28, 2008, 1:00 PM Post
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I say best available but I hope that is at CB, TE, RB, or OT.

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Posted: January 29, 2008, 4:25 AM Post
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One of the best mock draft sites walterfootball.com has the first 4 rounds projected. Here are the Packers picks, I would be fine with this if it was who we picked except for the FB in round 4. We have two good young fullbacks already. But man Cason and Rucker would be nice.

1: Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
2: Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
3: John Greco, OT, Toledo
4: Peyton Hillis, FB, Arkansas

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Posted: January 29, 2008, 8:27 PM Post
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It's pretty hard for me to put any stock into these mock drafts given the combine hasn't happened yet. That can play a huge factor in where some of these kids get picked, especially for running backs and corners that rely on speed so much.

One other position nobody has mentioned is pass rusher. KGB not only will be getting a big chunk of cash this year, he relies almost entirely on speed. If any of his quickness starts leaving him, he won't be very effective and we have no backup pass rusher if he got hurt.

I think the odds are high that Corey Williams will be left to sign elsewhere and that leaves us with nobody inside that's skilled at pressuring the QB. If KGB lost any of his effectiveness or got hurt, the DL would be extremely low on guys who can get pressure. For a defense like the Packers that hates to blitz, that would be a disaster. Look how as the year went on the front four struggled getting to the QB as much. Remove Williams and a worst case of something happening to KGB, opposing quarterbacks will be able to read a book before passing the ball.


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Posted: January 30, 2008, 1:33 AM Post
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It's pretty hard for me to put any stock into these mock drafts given the combine hasn't happened yet. That can play a huge factor in where some of these kids get picked, especially for running backs and corners that rely on speed so much.

I definitely agree. Without great combines, guys like Greg Olsen or Ahmad Carroll don't end up going where they did. There will certainly be some movers as a result, but the preliminary mocks are just nice to look at for a rough idea of who might go where, which is good for a conversation piece, if nothing else.

Good call on DE, too. I wouldn't be completely surprised to see the Pack look to fortify the ends, but there's not really a pool of talent set to go in the late 1st for that position, so unless someone falls, they probably won't address it in the 1st.

EDIT: Also- One name that is becoming strongly linked to the Packers in mocks and selected by the Pack in 80% of the mocks I see online is Erin Henderson, OLB Maryland. He definitely seems to be the in pick for Green Bay at #62.


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Posted: January 30, 2008, 4:12 AM Post
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I definitely agree. Without great combines, guys like Greg Olsen or Ahmad Carroll don't end up going where they did. There will certainly be some movers as a result, but the preliminary mocks are just nice to look at for a rough idea of who might go where, which is good for a conversation piece, if nothing else.

Most of the elite players don't even go to the combine though. They hold individual workouts that really emphasize their strengths and if at all possible avoid doing anything that will show a weakness.

It doesn't appear that TT and the Packers are real big combine or numbers people from the drafts under TT's watch.


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