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What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.

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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 19, 2008, 3:47 PM Post
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As the deadline is fast approaching in regards for tags, I thought it might be a good idea to start a new thread (feel free to move if needed). It boils down to these options in my mind (in no order except to reference the number of the option):

1. Franchise tag C Williams
2. Transition tag C Williams
3. Let C Williams walk
4. Re-sign C Williams (before tagging him)

The way I look at it is that the Packers should try to transition tag Corey before the deadline. I wouldn't mind the franchise tag, but it is at over $6 million for the year currently for DTs. I don't see the harm in paying him the average of the top 10 DTs and hopefully negotiating a long-term deal. I do believe that if he hits the open market he's as good as gone and we'll have a pretty decent hole to fill. It is difficult to find a pass rushing DT in the NFL and I really hope we don't let him slip away -- as long as his contract is reasonable, but at the same time we can transition tag him and fit him in to our 2008 plans if we want to.


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 Gone What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 2:10 AM Post
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I'd like them to throw the franchise tag on him and look at shopping him. Some team would give up a 2nd/3rd rounder for him. If not, Packers keep him for 1 year and evaluate how Jolly, Pickett and Harrell play in 2008 and make a decision on a long term contract then.
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 jwaltz What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 2:55 AM Post
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When players hit the market they almost always leave. I am all for franchising Williams and keeping him another year. That will give us another year to evaluate Pickett. If Pickett does well then we let Williams go next year. If not we sign Williams long term.
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 4:18 AM Post
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That will give us another year to evaluate Pickett. If Pickett does well then we let Williams go next year. If not we sign Williams long term.

I don't really know if the comparison would be to Pickett. I think they're two different types of players.
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 BrewCrewForever What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 4:24 AM Post
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3. Let C Williams walk
4. Re-sign C Williams (before tagging him)

If you can re-sign him great, if not let him walk. We have a lot of DT depth.
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 Point Beer Is Best What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 4:24 AM Post
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If we transition tag him, the only rights to him we would have is the right to match any offer he receives from another team, correct? If that's the case, I wouldn't mind franchising him since I don't see us matching any long-term offers he gets. We have the money - I'd like to keep him around for one more year. If Pickett/Harrell/Jolly prove to be a formidable rotation, or we get another DE that lets Jenkins move inside full time, then let him go after next season.
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 4:28 AM Post
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I just want to put this link on the board again here for future reference:

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

The Packers aren't in as good of cap shape that most think. Granted they don't have too many key free agents, but lots of teams have money and more than the Packers. I think the Packers are in good shape in the fact that they don't have too many impact players hitting free agency.

If we transition tag him, the only rights to him we would have is the right to match any offer he receives from another team, correct?

This is correct. I don't know the transition amount, but I believe projections for a DT franchise tag are above $6 million.
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 Ralph Wiggum What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 4:41 AM Post
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I franchise him...you can't just let talented players like him walk with nothing in return, depth or not. I have no problem with shopping him, but I hold out for a 1st round pick. If no team ponies up, too bad, he's a Packer next year. He's a top 10 DT in the league, and is worthy of at least a mid 1st rounder. Pass rushing DTs are a very hot commodity. Someone will give up a 1st for him.
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 PeaveyFury What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 6:22 AM Post
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The Packers aren't in as good of cap shape that most think. Granted they don't have too many key free agents, but lots of teams have money and more than the Packers.

I'm almost certain that the numbers in that link doesn't reflect the 6-7 million that the Packers rolled over from this years' cap to next years due to LTBE bonuses.
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 7:14 AM Post
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I'm almost certain that the numbers in that link doesn't reflect the 6-7 million that the Packers rolled over from this years' cap to next years due to LTBE bonuses.

Even if it's not it that would put them slightly above average in terms of cap space.
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 jazzytrav What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 7:21 AM Post
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Not sure if this matters, but it looks as though a lot of those teams with more space have 35-40 players signed on their roster. The Packers have 48. We already have most of the roster under contract, so I would think that would translate to more cap space.
Will you have this left guard to be the 224th pick?

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 bjkrautk What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 8:18 AM Post
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I think the biggest difference between the Packers and the 20 teams ahead of them in cap space is that most of us actually expect those other teams to spend some of that surplus in the off-season.

That's the issue with signing Williams; if the Pack doesn't....are they going to do anything with that cap space? (It's the same issue I raised when someone mentioned cutting KGB a few weeks ago.)
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 8:36 AM Post
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Not sure if this matters, but it looks as though a lot of those teams with more space have 35-40 players signed on their roster. The Packers have 48. We already have most of the roster under contract, so I would think that would translate to more cap space.

I kind of mentioned that with the link, but my point is that we're not in this amazing cap under the room situation that some think we are. Don't get me wrong -- we are in nice shape, but there are a lot of teams that will have money to spend. The Packers benefit from having a lot of guys on the team who are producing who make the minimum or close to it. The Packers cap will be very, very important in 2 - 3 years as those contracts run out.
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 T B0NE 10 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 10:10 AM Post
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I really have a feeling we let him walk...

Id want him to stay as hes a good player but losing him wont really hurt us with the DTs we have
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 T B0NE 10 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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I really have a feeling we let him walk...

Id want him to stay as hes a good player but losing him wont really hurt us with the DTs we have
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 ryne100 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 11:05 AM Post
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Franchised.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/02/20/packers-use-franchise-tag-on-williams.aspx
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 jazzytrav What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 11:13 AM Post
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Very interesting. Not a chance that anyone will give up two 1st rounders. If he's franchised, can he still be traded?

Either way, I like the move. He could be a very important player next year, and at very least we'll get something back for him better than a 5th round pick next year.
Will you have this left guard to be the 224th pick?

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 PeaveyFury What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 11:24 AM Post
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I think this was the right move, and I'm certainly glad they made it. I know that there were a lot of people here and elsewhere who thought they'd let him walk or make a token offer because of drafting Harrell, but those concerns were (fortunately) unfounded.
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 PeaveyFury What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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I'm almost certain that the numbers in that link doesn't reflect the 6-7 million that the Packers rolled over from this years' cap to next years due to LTBE bonuses.

The JS's Bob McGinn confirms that with the 6 million tag to Williams, the Packers are 18 under the cap. With Franks released, that's more like 22.5 now.
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 20, 2008, 11:41 AM Post
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With Franks released, that's more like 22.5 now.

Was his cap number that big? Is that taking into account the "dead" money hit? He signed a 7 year deal IIRC so we should be taking some kind of hit.

I like franchising him. Hopefully we can work out a deal with him. If not, he's at least in Green Bay for one more year.
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