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 Gone Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 10:12 AM Post
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3241317

I'd love to see Wahle back in GB. I know it's probably unlikely, but his athleticism is a perfect fit for the ZBS, he's still fairly young (30) and it's pretty obvious that GB needs a guy to solidify the guard position.
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 jwaltz Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 10:17 AM Post
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The Panthers have younger and cheaper options so the release of Wahle and his big cap number isn't surprising. I would love to see him back with us. He would be a good fit. He liked it here and might be amenable to returning.
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 BrewCrewForever Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 10:21 AM Post
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I think Wahle coming back to Green Bay would be awesome. He wouldn't get as much as he did when he left us could he?
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 homer Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 11:19 AM Post
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Thompson was nearly crucified for letting Rivera and Wahle go. Rivera was released by Dallas in June (I don't think he played this season) and now this news.
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 BrewCrewForever Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 11:31 AM Post
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Rivera is done as far as I know. I think Wahle could still play.
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 JJHardy7 Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 11:50 AM Post
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Thompson was nearly crucified for letting Rivera and Wahle go. Rivera was released by Dallas in June (I don't think he played this season) and now this news.

Wahle and River both played at very, very high levels though the year after they left (Rivera only a year though). I think the main problem was the inability to replace the two -- one could still say we haven't replaced them. I didn't mind Rivera leaving because the contract Dallas handed him was unreal and TT (and I hope most GMs) made the right decision. Wahle is in a different league though because he is younger and a lot more athletic. I don't know if the Panthers are hurting cap wise, but this move is surprising -- along with releasing Dan Morgan. I don't know exactly what shape Wahle is in or the specifics as why he was released, but he seems like a player that could really excel in the zone blocking scheme.

The question is would Wahle want to come back? I know he wasn't too pleased with Green Bay his last year with the team. I remember him making comments that all the other o-lineman were on the gameday mags at Lambeau, but he wasn't. I don't know if that was just frustration from his end, but I always felt that comment kind of interesting.
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 Hart Of Milwaukee Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 12:34 PM Post
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I'd say definitly bring him back, he's one of those players that could help Green Bay move up a level. As far as his discontent for Green Bay, an opportunity to go to the super bowl tends to give players a short term memory.
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 BrewCrewForever Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 12:47 PM Post
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Hart Of Milwaukee said:
I'd say definitly bring him back, he's one of those players that could help Green Bay move up a level. As far as his discontent for Green Bay, an opportunity to go to the super bowl tends to give players a short term memory.

Yeah Wahle at only 30 should still be able to play at a high level. If he comes back you have him at one guard and then Spitz/Colledge or Coston at the other guard and that line could be stellar.

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 LouisEly Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 1:28 PM Post
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Bottom line is that Carolina didn't think that Wahle was worth his salary for whatever reason. So TT not signing him (or keeping him) was probably the right move; it was in deciding whom to replace him that was the wrong move. New England seems to get players to go there for less than market rate because of the chances of going to the Super Bowl, so perhaps GB can nab Wahle on a short-term deal (2 or 3 years?) to solidify their line and give the young guys a veteran to learn from. Would be nice to have Wahle and Clifton on the left side again.
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 dlk9s Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 4:43 PM Post
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JJHardy7 said:
I don't know if the Panthers are hurting cap wise, but this move is surprising -- along with releasing Dan Morgan.

This was far from a surprise. He played in barely half the team's games in seven years.
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 NDOG44 Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 5:08 PM Post
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Bottom line is that Carolina didn't think that Wahle was worth his salary for whatever reason. So TT not signing him (or keeping him) was probably the right move;

I'm not sure I understand or agree with this logic. Carolina's situation in 2008 and Green Bay's in 2005 has to be taken in to account doesn't it? I mean, the fact that Green Bay wasn't going to pay the huge bonus was inevitable, but because Carolina now released him Green Bay made the right move? It's not that simple in my eyes.
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 dlk9s Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 5:17 PM Post
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NDOG44 said:
Bottom line is that Carolina didn't think that Wahle was worth his salary for whatever reason. So TT not signing him (or keeping him) was probably the right move;

I'm not sure I understand or agree with this logic. Carolina's situation in 2008 and Green Bay's in 2005 has to be taken in to account doesn't it? I mean, the fact that Green Bay wasn't going to pay the huge bonus was inevitable, but because Carolina now released him Green Bay made the right move? It's not that simple in my eyes.

I agree with you, NDOG. I'm not saying TT's decision was right or wrong, as I can certainly understand it either way, but just because Carolina released Wahle doesn't make TT's decision "right." Wahle made one Pro Bowl and was an alternate for another in the three years with Carolina, so it's not like he was terrible. The team just doesn't want to break the bank for a 30-year-old OL, when they feel they can use that money to improve other areas of the team.
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 LouisEly Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 5:40 PM Post
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Actually, it is that simple. Wahle counted $12M or $13M against the cap in 2005, and the Packers were over the cap. They could have released other players, but felt like Wahle was least worth his salary. Same with Carolina this year; Wahle must count close to $12/13M against the cap this year (IIRC he signed a 6-year, $60M contract with a $10-12M signing bonus, so he must be close to that in salary and portion of the signing bonus this year). They could release other players, but apparently feel like he is least worth his salary. If he was worth that much, Carolina would release other players (I'm sure that Steve Smith, Julius Peppers, Mike Rucker, Kris Jenkins, and Jordan Gross are making a good paycheck too), but they didn't release any of them - they released Wahle.
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 thablingster Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 11, 2008, 5:50 PM Post
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Gross is actually a FA this year, as is their LT Travelle Wharton. With the release of Wahle, Carolina's offensive line is officially a mess. lol
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 BrewCrewForever Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 12, 2008, 2:36 AM Post
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Signing Wahle to a deal for 2 years seems like a good idea. Clifton and him on the left side would be awesome.
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 NDOG44 Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 12, 2008, 5:53 AM Post
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As I said, paying Wahle what he had coming to him without restructuring wasn't an option for the Packers. Without restructuring is the key. It might have been near impossible to get done, I don't know.

The Packers didn't have a replacement in the fold. The Panthers may, I don't know. It's not black and white to say that Wahle being cut THREE YEARS after the fact makes Thompson's decision the right one. Especially as someone pointed out, he's had a good run with the Panthers.

Marco Rivera? Yes, he was a couple years older than Wahle is right now. Letting him go was for sure the right decision. And that's another element to factor in on the Wahle decision three years ago...losing both guards crippled the offense.

Like I said, maybe Wahle wouldn't have restructured, and maybe it was the only decision they had. But grading the Packers move because of the Panthers' move? I'm sorry, it isn't that simple. What if Wahle suffered a career ending injury in his first game with the Panthers? Would that make the Packers decision to let him go a clear cut correct decision?
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 JJHardy7 Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 12, 2008, 6:40 AM Post
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This was far from a surprise. He played in barely half the team's games in seven years.

I guess I'm surprised they couldn't re-work his deal or that he didn't retire. When he's healthy (it's a big if I know), he is a terrific linebacker. I think he's among the upper 1/3 of players at his position when he's healthy. I would have rather seen him retire if he's in that rough of shape that he can't play the game anymore.

So TT not signing him (or keeping him) was probably the right move; it was in deciding whom to replace him that was the wrong move.

You could say that TT undervalued Wahle's talent. Just because a team releases a player doesn't justify TT not re-signing him nor does it make Wahle a bad player. Carolina made the decision the felt best for their club, but I think the past few seasons have shown that TT didn't make the right decision by letting Wahle go/undervaluing him.



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 jwaltz Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 12, 2008, 7:43 AM Post
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It's also quite possible the team doesn't want Morgan to play anymore. He has had five concussions. One more could cause some serious brain damage. He's a terrific player when healthy but the risk is pretty great with him.
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 JJHardy7 Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 12, 2008, 8:23 AM Post
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It's also quite possible the team doesn't want Morgan to play anymore. He has had five concussions. One more could cause some serious brain damage. He's a terrific player when healthy but the risk is pretty great with him.

That is true. The guy is so talented it's really a sad situtation. I know any team that is going to sign him will have a very extensive physical. Didn't he break his leg on a stiff arm from Brett Favre? That field in Carolina that day was in such horrible shape.
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 Gone Mike Wahle Released
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Posted: February 12, 2008, 9:47 AM Post
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thablingster said:
Gross is actually a FA this year, as is their LT Travelle Wharton. With the release of Wahle, Carolina's offensive line is officially a mess. lol

Everything that I've read points to Gross being franchised.


If I remember correctly, when Wahle signed with Carolina they paid him as and expected him to be their tackle. That is a big reason he got such huge money, it could also be a factor in why Carolina doesn't think he's worth the $. There aren't many guards in the NFL that are worth top tier tackle money.
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