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 Point Beer Is Best 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 29, 2014, 2:20 PM Post
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I believe rule changes will officially be proposed during the owners meetings, but we know of at least one change that will be discussed - eliminating or modifying the Point After Touchdown (PAT) kick because the conversion rate makes it nearly automatic but exposes players to uneccessary injury risk (Rob Gronkowski, for example).

I've heard of two possible alternatives:
- Award an automatic point after a TD is scored, but allow the scoring team to exchange the point for a Two Point Conversion attempt. This basically leaves the system the way it is, and the only real impact this has on anything is reduced injury risk and reduced scoring for Kickers.
- Move the PAT try back to increase the difficulty (probably somewhere between a 30 to 40 yard FG try). This won't reduce any injury risk, but the kicks won't be nearly as automatic and will probably encourage more Two Point Conversion attempts.

Personally, I like option #2 from an entertainment standpoint. I'd like to see more Two Point Conversion attempts, and the further they move the PAT attempt back, the more we will see. It may increase the amount of end of game drama since the chances that teams will be tied late in the game will decrease, putting more weight on that last second FG try.
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 bjkrautk Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 29, 2014, 2:39 PM Post
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I don't know how you move the PAT back without moving the staring point for the 2-pt. conversion back as well. Moving only one eliminates the possibility of intentional deception (ie., PAT fake), and turns a fumbled long snap / fire drill on a PAT attempt into an automatic failure.
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 hurricanecrush Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 29, 2014, 4:46 PM Post
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I'm not sure I've ever seen a fake PAT and even botched PATs are almost non existent. I'm all for moving the PAT back to encourage more 2 pt attempts.
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 T B0NE 10 Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 30, 2014, 12:41 PM Post
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Make the player who scored attempt the PAT.
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 Thurston Fluff Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 30, 2014, 1:09 PM Post
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I'm sure everyone would love to see their best player blow out a hammy on a PAT. I'm for option one. It leaves the game as is while eliminating the most boring part of football.
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 sbrylski Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 30, 2014, 2:29 PM Post
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I hope they aren't afraid to be a little creative for entertainment purposes, which is possible without changing the overall impact.

For example, put the ball on the 20-yard line and give the team two plays. A TD on the first play is worth 2 points, and a TD or FG on the second play is worth one point.

Or move the extra point and 2-pt conversion back to the 10 yard line (27 yard FG), but also offer 2 points for a FG from the 35 yard line (52 yard FG). There's now strategy depending on how good your kicker is and how important the 2 points are.

(52 yard FG option = ~.65*2 = 1.3 points
27 yard FG option = ~.97*1 = .97 points)

They have a great opportunity to add some interesting strategy without altering the actual outcome. What they need to come up with is something that adds a meaningful decision for the coaches, lowers the probability of success to add uncertainty, yet keep the mathematical expected number of points roughly the same.
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 Thurston Fluff Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 30, 2014, 11:24 PM Post
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Is there really a need to add more strategy to the game? I don't think more complex is the same as more exciting.
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 jazzytrav Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 31, 2014, 4:16 PM Post
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I think they have to be careful how extreme of a change is made so it can get by the NFLPA. No way will they allow a rule change that could eliminate the need for a kicker. If the 2-point try gets too close to the 1-point try in difficulty, teams might opt to just have a punter for kickoffs and go for 2 every time.
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 young guns Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 31, 2014, 5:28 PM Post
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But They would still have a kicker for field goals.
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 Thurston Fluff Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: January 31, 2014, 6:28 PM Post
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At some point you can make the scoring so complicated it stunts the game's growth. I don't see any advantage to making it more complicated than it is. I can get behind the choice between an automatic 7 points vs an attempt at 8 but the chance of losing 1. Even then I think that is a hard concept to explain to new NFL fans. The only reason I can get behind that change is because it gets rid of the most boring play in all of sports.
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 jazzytrav Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: February 01, 2014, 8:40 AM Post
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young guns said:
But They would still have a kicker for field goals.


Yeah, I apparently didn't put a lot of thought into that. Plus I'm sure most punters can make an extra point.

When they get rid of the "challenge" system and go to college replay rules, I'll be more interested in new rule changes.
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 CheezWizHed Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: February 01, 2014, 10:22 AM Post
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If they want to eliminate the extra point, I think they should make it mandatory to go for 2 points.

Conversely, if they want to make it more interesting, give the scoring team some options:
- Regular: 1 point
- 45yd: 2 points
- 55 yd: 3 points
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 valpocrewsader Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: February 03, 2014, 7:32 PM Post
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Realistic-ish change that I think I'd like: Follow rugby's lead and place the ball for the PAT snap based on where the TD was scored (with some exception when the TD was scored within ~10 yards of the sidelines or whatever). Offense could back up the line of scrimmage as far as they want for a better angle. ...Or a variant on this, score a TD from the 10 yard line, snap the PAT from the 10 yard line (with some limit of the PAT never being snapped further back than the 30 or something like that).

Fun change, not-fully-fleshed-out, that could be neat: Attach the PAT to the kickoff. Like, one point if the ball reaches the goal line, 3 points if it goes through the uprights. (Would sure add some significance to a post-TD personal foul penalty that move the kickoff 15 yards in either direction.) I know the idea has some problems ... subjective judgment for the 1 pointer ... what to do about onside kick (maybe recovery by kicking team awards 1 point in addition to the ball?). I just always thought it'd be cool to earn points on the kickoff if you could get it through the uprights -- there's something about seeing a ball travel 70 yards and hit a target. And now with the PAT discussion.... *shrug*

Mostly, my preference is probably that they leave things unchanged. I seem to be in the minority, but I really dislike the 2 pt conversion. And I like the (slim) prospect that a PAT could be blocked or botched.
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 BillScottCanRake Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: February 04, 2014, 10:35 AM Post
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I know the purpose of the proposed extra point rule change - PATs are next to automatic (I think I read the conversion rate is about .995), it's a waste of time to run a play that may result in injuries more often then misses, etc, etc. I know player safety is a big issue, and I am sure guys get injured on PATs, but I don't like awarding points based upon probability. Seattle ended up advancing to the 2006 Divisional Playoffs on a play that doesn't go the way it did 995 times out of 1000.

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Yes, I know that was a FG, but the conversion rate for a FG of that distance has to be the same as an extra point, right? If that play is run 1000 times, Dallas wins 995 time. That doesn't change the fact that Seattle DID win. Because of that, I just can't get behind "Because someone might get hurt, we are going to eliminate a play where most of the time the expected happens."

With regard to "fake" extra points turning into 2-point conversion, I don't think that is allowable. Once you line up for an extra point, the most you can get out of the play is one point, whether the ball is kicked thru the uprights or advanced past the goal line.
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 jazzytrav Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: February 04, 2014, 5:23 PM Post
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BillScottCanRake said:
With regard to "fake" extra points turning into 2-point conversion, I don't think that is allowable. Once you line up for an extra point, the most you can get out of the play is one point, whether the ball is kicked thru the uprights or advanced past the goal line.


I don't know if high school and college rules match up the same, but in high school, we were down by one and ran a fake extra point to win the game. Also, if the snap is botched and they somehow get it into the end zone, I'm almost certain it's two points.
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 BillScottCanRake Re: 2014 Rule Changes
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Posted: February 05, 2014, 3:03 PM Post
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jazzytrav said:
BillScottCanRake said:
With regard to "fake" extra points turning into 2-point conversion, I don't think that is allowable. Once you line up for an extra point, the most you can get out of the play is one point, whether the ball is kicked thru the uprights or advanced past the goal line.


I don't know if high school and college rules match up the same, but in high school, we were down by one and ran a fake extra point to win the game. Also, if the snap is botched and they somehow get it into the end zone, I'm almost certain it's two points.


After further review, I think I am totally wrong with regard to the NFL two-point conversions. I guess during the first year of the 2-point conversion Tom Tupa recorded three of them on a "fake" extra point.
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