What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.

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#81

Posted: February 28, 2008, 2:53 PM

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That's a late 2nd rounder though. I would think TT would squeeze another late round pick, even a 5th or 6th, out of this deal.

Will you have this left guard to be the 224th pick?

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PeaveyFury

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 2:55 PM

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Yeah, I'd be relatively happy if they pulled a 2nd/5th out of this.

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jazzytrav

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 3:02 PM

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Did they pull the article? I'm not seeing it with the link...

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PeaveyFury

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 3:04 PM

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It's still viewable to me when I click the link, jazzytrav.

Anyone else really doubting that Cleveland would really be willing to leave themselves without a pick until the 3rd round?

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jazzytrav

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 3:08 PM

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Ok, I just had to read further. I thought it was just talking about Todd Collins for the whole article.

I didn't see where the 2nd rounder was mentioned, though.

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PeaveyFury

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 3:17 PM

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I didn't see where the 2nd rounder was mentioned, though.

2nd rounder is just a combination of the rumors, I think. It's speculation that it would be for their 2nd rounder. Nothing official at all, yet.

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jwaltz

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 3:21 PM

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They don't have a first so it would probably have to be their second or their first next year which I highly doubt they would trade seeing how they traded this year's first to the Cowboys last year.

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PeaveyFury

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 3:22 PM

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The JS Blog is now reporting the report:

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/02/28/report-packers-trade-dt-williams-to-cleveland.aspx

Nothing new there, though.

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 4:15 PM

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I doubt the Browns would trade their 2nd rounder for Corey Williams unless they had it on good authority that they were getting another day one pick back in exchange for Derek Anderson.

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 4:40 PM

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Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports the Packers will get the Browns' second round pick for Corey Williams.

The Browns are playing hardball now with Derek Anderson. They have given him three options: either sign the one year tender, sign their three year contract offer, or convince another team to sign him as a restricted free agent. The signing team would have to give up a first and a third so that's unlikely.

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jazzytrav

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 4:51 PM

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I think you're right crewcrazy, and I think the Browns are counting on picking up the 1st and 3rd round picks from someone, which would make that 2nd rounder much more expendable. Just looking at the draft list, there are a lot of teams that could use a quarterback. The Ravens may not like their chances of drafting Ryan, plus the Lions, Eagles, Bears, and I'm sure other teams that I can't think of off the top of my head could possibly give up those picks since Anderson would be a big piece of the puzzle and could make them immediate playoff contenders. In the Lions case, it would allow them to avoid a royal screw-up in the draft. Savage basically said that if someone makes him an offer for Anderson, they won't be able to match it and will take the picks. The Browns would be in a decent position if that happened because they would have Quinn (hopefully) ready to step in, Thomas proven to protect him, and they could afford to let that 2nd rounder go and get help for a D line that needs some help.

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NDOG44

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 5:06 PM

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I'm not saying that the Browns won't end up trading Anderson. But the fact is that the Browns don't have a first round pick right now, as we all know. Trading their second round pick and ending up with Corey Williams is a good thing as far as their roster is concerned. They won't get a player better than Corey Williams RIGHT NOW at pick 56. And the Packers won't either.

The Packers at least will get something, and they tendered Colin Cole with a second round tender today, so that's all right. But why question the Browns getting Williams in lieu of a second round pick? It's like looking back and being pissed that the Packers traded their second round pick for Al Harris.

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 5:07 PM

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The Raiders re-signed DE/DT Tommy Kelly to a 7 year/$50.5 million deal. Good thing TT used the tag, cause the bar was set extremely high.

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PeaveyFury

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 5:12 PM

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Well, I'm not a big fan of the deal as is, and hold out hope that when it's 'official' there'll be a 2nd day pick involved as well.

That said, if this opens up a #30 for Hall trade with Atlanta, then it's a fantastic trade.

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sbrylski

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 5:21 PM

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Eh. Its on you Justin Harrell to make this series of moves good.

And I agree with Peavey, #30 for Hall and we have a net gain on defense for a drop in 20 or so draft spots. Woodson can play FS and cover the slot in the nickle and dime.

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 5:38 PM

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I assume that once the trade is official, Williams' tag value comes off the Packers cap, and the team will have even more room to not sign players.

That said, as TT wasn't going to re-sign Williams, a second round pick is a welcome consolation prize.

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 5:39 PM

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The Raiders re-signed DE/DT Tommy Kelly to a 7 year/$50.5 million deal. Good thing TT used the tag, cause the bar was set extremely high.

This is a deal Williams and his agent would have looked at with or without the tag. I can't imagine TT paying this much (and he shouldn't) for a PT player and I can't imagine Williams would agree to the 1 yr tender w/out a strong fight.

While I feel Williams is more valuable than a 2nd rounder I do not feel he's worth that kind of contract or the headache he'd be when he didn't.

I love the flexibility that this gives TT going into the offseason. He has the money to spend if necessary and also has the draft picks to make some deals. The Packers 1st round pick is valued at 620 points, along w/their 2nd round worth 300 and the Browns @ 340 give them aminition to maybe look at moving up for a player in rd 1. They could combine their 1st and the Browns 2nd and get up to around 17th overall or look at combining both 2nds and their first and get around 11/12. Picking 11th would give them the option of getting a very young player that could make more of a difference than Williams would this year.

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Posted: February 28, 2008, 9:08 PM

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NDOG44 said:

Yep

I don't get why so many here are questioning why the Browns would make this trade? Last season they finished 10-6, it's not like they are a team looking to rebuild for a few years. They had a very good offense last year, but they struggled defensively and one reason why was as a team they only had 28 sacks.

A late second round pick that they are giving up would be by no means a lock to even turn out decent. In Williams the Browns get a proven player that should be in his prime, has no history of injuries, is a pretty rare DT in that he can pressure the QB and not be undersized that gets pancaked vs the run, and the DT pickings in free agency aren't exactly loaded.

As for having to give Williams big money, so what. Cleveland is 28 million under the cap and Williams is the best option for them of what's in free agency at DT, a position of need for them. They can structure a contract that frontloads a good chunk of what they pay Williams so that he's not a huge drag on the cap in the future. What good is getting your team way under the cap in a given season if your team just sits on the money and doesn't use it to better the team?

The Browns want to win and get in the playoffs next year, but they needed help on defense, especially at DT and the pass rush. They could have used that 2nd round pick and rolled the dice on a rookie DT and sat on their cap space or trade for a not old and proven DT that was second in sacks at his position in the NFL the last two years. If i was a Browns fan, i'd like the trade.

As for the Packers. I have some concerns about who on the roster will now bring pressure from inside, none of our DT's do that very well and Sanders hates to blitz. Run pluggers are no doubt needed, but now we have four of them at DT and none that rush the passer well.If Ted though didn't want to pay Williams, a second rounder sure beats letting him walk for nothing.

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PeaveyFury

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Posted: February 29, 2008, 1:20 AM

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Cleveland is expected to sign Williams to a 6- year, 38 million dollar contract today, per ESPN's John Clayton.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/02/29/williams-deal-with-cleveland.aspx

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Posted: February 29, 2008, 2:36 AM

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I'm really on the fence on this deal. My first reaction was well it's the Browns so the pick should be high...but the Browns actually had a pretty good year so it's a late second round pick. My second thought was that this is the type of move a team that is not making a real run at a Super Bowl makes and that maybe Favre is indeed retiring. It's going to be next to impossible to find a pass rushing DT to fill Williams' shoes in 2008 (i.e. we could find a guy in the draft but it may take a few years to develop him). So basically it boils down like this in my eyes...

Short-Term:

This deal stinks. We really are going to have to figure out a way to get to the quarterback or else the Giants game in the NFC Championship will be a week in and week out performance by the secondary. We can't expect Harris and Woodson to cover WRs all day with next to no pressure on the QB. If I'm in the NFC North, I just realize that we have an excellent chance to put up some big passing yards on the Packers as long as we account for Aaron Kampman and chip KGB with a FB when he's on the field.

Long-Term:

This deal isn't that bad. Once Kelly on the Raiders signed his deal the bar was raised and given Williams isn't a 24 year old DT I didn't think the Packers would re-sign him unless they got a discount. The second round pick will most likely not be as good as Williams in 2008, but could be better in the future. I like the Packers getting an extra pick and it should be interesting to see who they take there (who am I kidding at least one of those 2nd rounders will be dealt for more picks).

Overall:

I think the Packers blew this situation possibly. We don't know what Williams would've signed for before the 2007 season and we will probably never know. I'm guessing he would've at least signed for less and maybe a deal like Jenkins, but again it's hard to say. I just laugh at all the national media who have said Williams is expendable because we have so many DTs. So Pickett or Harrell is going to get 7.5 sacks this year? I don't see that happening. This essentially is the fall out of drafting Harrell. I'm happy the Packers at least got something, but in my eyes this is taking a step back for 2008 -- and if it's Brett's last year it's a good indicator that we're not going to make a run at a ring in 2008.

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