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What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.

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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 21, 2008, 8:16 AM Post
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For the record, I think the Bengals, Browns and Broncos would all be very interested in acquiring Williams, or someone else from the Packers depth at DT. While the Browns don't have a 1st rounder, which makes them an unlikely trade partner, the Bengals and Broncos stand to miss out on the draft's top 2 DTs, and probably draft too early to consider Balmer.

Would Williams bring a 1st round pick though? I think he's a good player don't get me wrong. I just don't know if a team would part with a 1st round pick for him. It's rare to see 1st round picks moved for players these days. I hope the Packers keep their depth at DT unless a team comes knocking on the door with a great offer.
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 jazzytrav What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 21, 2008, 9:02 AM Post
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Out of curiosity, since the Bengals were mentioned, what's the possibility of moving Williams and our 1st round pick to the Bengals for pick #9 and their 2nd or 3rd rounder? That might not be a bad move for the Bengals since there's a possibility that the pick they might want (Rivers) would still be available at #30. If that was the case, it would be a win-win, since the Bengals would essentially only be giving up a 2nd or 3rd for Williams.
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 Gone What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 21, 2008, 9:48 AM Post
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Out of curiosity, since the Bengals were mentioned, what's the possibility of moving Williams and our 1st round pick to the Bengals for pick #9 and their 2nd or 3rd rounder?
I think it all depends on what value teams put on Williams. The #9 pick is valued @ 1350 points while the #30 pick is worth 620. That means that C. Williams would need to be worth about 730 points which is about the same as the 24/25th pick.

I don't think you'd have any chance of getting an additional 2nd/3rd rounder out of it from the Bengals, but I would think that the base of the deal - #9 for #30 and Williams could be a start. It all will come down to how big of a demand Williams is. If they can get a couple teams with big time interest, his stock will rise.

Right now I don't see the Packers getting anything more than a mid/late 2nd rounder for Williams.
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Out of curiosity, since the Bengals were mentioned, what's the possibility of moving Williams and our 1st round pick to the Bengals for pick #9 and their 2nd or 3rd rounder? That might not be a bad move for the Bengals since there's a possibility that the pick they might want (Rivers) would still be available at #30. If that was the case, it would be a win-win, since the Bengals would essentially only be giving up a 2nd or 3rd for Williams.

That trade seems to make sense at least in terms of Williams' value. What would the Packers want at #9? I really would like to keep Williams, but if the Packers want something at #9 this would be a good way to get it.
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 jazzytrav What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 21, 2008, 10:10 AM Post
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That trade seems to make sense at least in terms of Williams' value. What would the Packers want at #9? I really would like to keep Williams, but if the Packers want something at #9 this would be a good way to get it.
Clady or Otah wouldn't be bad at #9 if TT really likes one of them in the system. They would also have the opportunity to pick who they feel is the best CB on the board. My bet would be on Kenny Phillips, though. I honestly wouldn't mind giving up Williams if we could get a guy like Phillips back for it.
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 sbrylski What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 21, 2008, 4:08 PM Post
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I too think that sounds like a nice, balanced trade. A CB or T out of that spot would make it worth it from our end.
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 danzig6767 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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jazzytrav said:
That trade seems to make sense at least in terms of Williams' value. What would the Packers want at #9? I really would like to keep Williams, but if the Packers want something at #9 this would be a good way to get it.
Clady or Otah wouldn't be bad at #9 if TT really likes one of them in the system. They would also have the opportunity to pick who they feel is the best CB on the board. My bet would be on Kenny Phillips, though. I honestly wouldn't mind giving up Williams if we could get a guy like Phillips back for it.

If we traded Williams to move up and grab a CB, Ted better be extremely confident that corner is a lot better than what we'd get at 30. I have high hopes for this team next year given the NFC doesn't look overly strong and really have concerns about our pass rush if the Packers traded away their only inside rusher. Defensive tackles that can get to the quarterback and also not be a liability vs the run aren't exactly in heavy supply and thus easy to get. I highly doubt that offensive coaches who scheme against our defense would be getting stressed at all over how to pass block our defensive tackles when they throw if the guys they had to block were only Pickett, Harrell, Jolly, or Cole.
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 jazzytrav What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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If we traded Williams to move up and grab a CB, Ted better be extremely confident that corner is a lot better than what we'd get at 30.
That's a very good point. The dropoff from a #9 CB to a #30 CB may not be that great. On the other hand, if TT falls in love with one of the top tackles, it may definitely be worth it. The dropoff at tackle between those two picks should be pretty great.

Pickett, Harrell, Jolly, or Cole
A lot of teams would kill to have this kind of rotation. I would love to keep Williams, but I wouldn't be too worried if we had to let him go in order to upgrade the depth at another position (or possibly find a starter).
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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I have high hopes for this team next year given the NFC doesn't look overly strong and really have concerns about our pass rush if the Packers traded away their only inside rusher.

You could then say why did we take Harrell last year? There's no sure fire way of knowing if TT will take a player that contributes in 2008 or not. The part of this trade that exictes me is if one of the tackles would fall to that spot -- not likely, but it's possible. We could move Tauscher to guard and we may improve our line significantly depending on how the guards currently on the roster develop this off-season.
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 Gone What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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We could move Tauscher to guard and we may improve our line significantly depending on how the guards currently on the roster develop this off-season.
Tauscher does not have the athleticism to play guard in the ZBS. They'd be better off keeping Tauscher at tackle and drafting a guard in the late 1st/2nd round.
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Tauscher does not have the athleticism to play guard in the ZBS. They'd be better off keeping Tauscher at tackle and drafting a guard in the late 1st/2nd round.

How does he not? He's been raved among scouts and the coaching staff as the best fit on the team for the ZBS. I'm personally not a huge fan of him, but all indicators are that he'd be able to handle the move.

If he's not athletic enough, I still wouldn't mind taking a tackle at #9 if one of the big ones falls down. I don't really see that happening, but it'd be an idea.
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 PeaveyFury What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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How does he not? He's been raved among scouts and the coaching staff as the best fit on the team for the ZBS.

I was under the impressiong (and I think it's been discussed here) that neither of our tackles are good fits for the ZBS. If you have links to stories that say otherwise, though, I could certainly be mistaken.

Regardless, if they traded Williams and only moved up in the first as a result, I say pass. They'd have to get a player that is more useful to the team than Williams already is, and that's quite unlikely from a new draftee unless it's a top 5 pick.
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 NDOG44 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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With all due respect, if neither of our tackles are good fits in the ZBS, then it's time to scrap the old ZBS. Because Clifton and Tauscher are far and away the best offensive linemen on the team. And it's not even close. I wouldn't be opposed to the Packers drafting another young tackle because they aren't young guys, but this is just another reason I'm sick of "schemes."

That said, I agree that Tauscher is not a fit at GUARD in the zone blocking scheme. I'm commenting on the tackles, because if they are playing this well in this "scheme" then imagine what they could do in a scheme where they do fit.

I think the interior linemen are supposed to be smaller and more agile than a typical guard and center in the zone blocking scheme. Like I said, if Clifton and Tauscher aren't good fits, then the whole zone blocking scheme is stupid. I'm not a big fan of it regardless, but as tackles, those two guys are just fine in this or any scheme.
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 T B0NE 10 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 22, 2008, 3:57 PM Post
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I dont get why everyone and coaches and media think the ZBS is so great. Look at how good some teams without it are so good at running the ball! The only really sucessfull team that did it has been Denver really. Now there is such a big trend towards it
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 PeaveyFury What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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I'm not a big fan of it regardless, but as tackles, those two guys are just fine in this or any scheme.

Yeah, I probably conveyed that wrong. What I was trying to say was "The zone blocking scheme probably isn't the best scheme for the tackles that we have."
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 Katuluu What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 22, 2008, 6:00 PM Post
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The Vikings use a ZBS.
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 Zycho32 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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I can see the Media latching onto the ZBS- Denver making good runners out of average runners and Elite Runners out of good/great runners, and even making RON FREAKING DAYNE turn back the clock to his Wisconsin days from time to time, just shows the world they may have stumbled onto something quite possibly revolutionary. Of course, such a system requires the proper coaching staff and personnel to run effectively, which is probably the biggest problem other teams face.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Virtually every innovation on all three dimensions of a football team is imitated in one form or another. Whether those innovations succeed long-term depends on how well the imitations are run.

Football Pundits probably thought the same thing about the T-Formation.
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 PeaveyFury What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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McCarthy said in a quote from the combine that Johnny Jolly might not be ready to go until the end of training camp, so I'd say that makes a Williams trade less likely.
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 JJHardy7 What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Posted: February 23, 2008, 5:06 AM Post
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I was under the impressiong (and I think it's been discussed here) that neither of our tackles are good fits for the ZBS. If you have links to stories that say otherwise, though, I could certainly be mistaken.

As far as the coaches, I believe the offensive coordinator made the comment in a jsonline story. I'll have to take a look and track it down.

McCarthy said in a quote from the combine that Johnny Jolly might not be ready to go until the end of training camp, so I'd say that makes a Williams trade less likely.

That stinks. Not so much in not trading Williams (I really didn't think that was a possibility), but in developing Jolly. Hopefully this doesn't set him back too much.
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 PeaveyFury What to do with Corey Willams? Update: Traded to Browns for second round pick.
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Three personnel directors think the Packers could get a 2nd for Williams:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=721828
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